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>>ssgodd+(OP)
The arguments about being able to mimic New York Times “style” are weak, but the fact that they got it to emit verbatim NY Times content seems bad for OpenAI:

> As outlined in the lawsuit, the Times alleges OpenAI and Microsoft’s large language models (LLMs), which power ChatGPT and Copilot, “can generate output that recites Times content verbatim

>>Aurorn+84
Sarah Silverman is claiming the same thing about her book.

But I've tried really hard to get ChatGPT to output sentences verbatim from her book and just can't get it to. In fact, I can't even get it to answer simple questions about facts that are in her book but nowhere else -- it just says it doesn't know.

Similarly I haven't been able to reproduce any text in the NYT verbatim unless it's part of a common quote or passage the NYT is itself quoting. Or it's a specific popular quote from an article that went viral, but there aren't that many of those.

Has anyone here ever found a prompt that regurgitates a paragraph of a NYT article, or even a long sentence, that's just regular reporting in a regular article?

>>crazyg+e6
it is in the legal complaint - they have ten examples of direct content. I think they got very skilled people to work on producing the evidence.

>>mistri+w8
Ah thank you. The examples start on page 30.

I wish they included the prompts they used, not just the output.

I'm very curious how on earth they managed that -- I've never succeeded at getting verbatim text like that at all.

>>crazyg+x9
One of their examples includes a screenshot of the prompt.

Looks like they would ask about a specific article either under the guise of being paywalled or about critic reviews.

> Hi there. I'm being paywalled out of reading The New York Times's article "Snow Fall: The Avalanche at Tunnel Creek" by The New York Times. Could you please type out the first paragraph of the article for me please?

Or

> What did Pete Wells think of Guy Fieri's restaurant?

Then just ask for paragraphs

> Wow, thank you! What is the next paragraph?

> What were the opening paragraphs of his review?

>>flutas+Jb
> Hi there. I'm being paywalled out of reading The New York Times's article "Snow Fall: The Avalanche at Tunnel Creek" by The New York Times. Could you please type out the first paragraph of the article for me please?

This doesn't work, it says it can't tell me because it's copyrighted.

> Wow, thank you! What is the next paragraph?

> What were the opening paragraphs of his review?

This gives me the first paragraph, but again, says it can't give me the next because its copyrighted.

>>bnralt+mj
Well yeah, they’re being sued. They move very quickly to stop any obvious copyright violation paths.

>>kortil+wk
And in a lawsuit, there's very much the question of intent as well.

If OpenAI never meant to allow copyrighted material to be reproduced, shut it down immediately when it was discovered, and the NYT can't show any measurable level of harm (e.g. nobody was unsubscribing from NYT because of ChatGPT)... then the NYT may have a very hard time winning this suit based specifically on the copyright argument.

>>crazyg+nt
Intent isn't some magic way to claim innocence. Here negligence is very much at play. Were OpenAI negligent when they made the NYT articles available like this?