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1. dissid+B6[view] [source] 2023-12-27 14:41:17
>>ssgodd+(OP)
Even if they win against openAI, how would this prevent something like a Chinese or Russian LLM from “stealing” their content and making their own superior LLM that isnt weakened by regulation like the ones in the United States.

And I say this as someone that is extremely bothered by how easily mass amounts of open content can just be vacuumed up into a training set with reckless abandon and there isn’t much you can do other than put everything you create behind some kind of authentication wall but even then it’s only a matter of time until it leaks anyway.

Pandora’s box is really open, we need to figure out how to live in a world with these systems because it’s an un winnable arms race where only bad actors will benefit from everyone else being neutered by regulation. Especially with the massive pace of open source innovation in this space.

We’re in a “mutually assured destruction” situation now, but instead of bombs the weapon is information.

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2. ndsipa+D7[view] [source] 2023-12-27 14:47:30
>>dissid+B6
This suggests to me that copyright laws are becoming out of date.

The original intent was to provide an incentive for human authors to publish work, but has become more out of touch since the internet allowed virtually free publishing and copying. I think with the dawn of LLMs, copyright law is now mainly incentivising lawyers.

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3. Aurorn+Vd[view] [source] 2023-12-27 15:19:40
>>ndsipa+D7
> The original intent was to provide an incentive for human authors to publish work, but has become more out of touch since the internet allowed virtually free publishing and copying. I think with the dawn of LLMs, copyright law is now mainly incentivising lawyers.

And yet the content industry still creates massive profits every year from people buying content.

I think internet-native people can forget that internet piracy doesn’t immediately make copyright obsolete simply because someone can copy an article or a movie if sufficiently motivated. These businesses still exist because copyright allows them to monetize their work.

Eliminating copyright and letting anyone resell or copy anything would end production of the content many people enjoy. You can’t remove content protections and also maintain the existence of the same content we have now.

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