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>>ssgodd+(OP)
The arguments about being able to mimic New York Times “style” are weak, but the fact that they got it to emit verbatim NY Times content seems bad for OpenAI:

> As outlined in the lawsuit, the Times alleges OpenAI and Microsoft’s large language models (LLMs), which power ChatGPT and Copilot, “can generate output that recites Times content verbatim

>>Aurorn+84
I would agree. Style is too amorphous (even among its own reporters and journalists, there are different styles), but verbatim repetition would be a problem. So what would the licensing be for all their content be (if presumably one could get ChatGPT to output all of the NYTs articles)?

The unfortunate thing about these LLMs is they siphon all public data regardless of license. I agree with data owners one can’t Willy nilly use data that’s accessible but not licensed properly.

Obviously Wikipedia, data from most public institutions, etc., should be available, but not data that does not offer unrestricted use.

>>mc32+G5
FWIW When I was taking journalism classes, style was not amorphous.

We had an entire book (400+ pages) which detailed every single specific stylistic rule we had to follow for our class. Had the same thing in high school newspaper.

I can only assume that NYT has an internal one as well.

>>dartos+h7
I wondered about that, but is that copyrightable? Can’t I use their style guide? If I did would the NYT sue me? If a writer who used it at the NYT went off on their own and started a substack and continued using the style, would they risk getting sued?