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1. jdross+15[view] [source] 2023-12-08 19:20:04
>>anigbr+(OP)
Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602

If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143...

It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1730255552738201854

US views skew pro-israel, and GenZ is closer to 50/50, so if there's something going on online, it's not in favor of Israel.

It's probably relevant that there are 1 billion Muslims to 16 million Jews, and that the largest relevant population of pro-Israeli internationals is India and Indian Hindus, and they are not on TikTok (blocked in India).

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2. sertbd+bg[view] [source] 2023-12-08 20:15:31
>>jdross+15
> Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms.

> If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views.

That platforms prioritize one over the other is just one possible explanation. An alternative explanation is that more people already have those views. And it's dishonest to present one explanation and omit the other.

Nothing inflames people like injustice.

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3. sabarn+Mt[view] [source] 2023-12-08 21:15:51
>>sertbd+bg
There is an ocean of injustice in the world and this one issue causes more anger than many that are equally abhorrent.
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4. cies+cB[view] [source] 2023-12-08 21:48:24
>>sabarn+Mt
> equally abohorrent

Comparing it to the Ukraine's invasion and we can see this is so much more "invasive". There's a literal wall around 2M ppl with little agency, while most of them are refugees from the other side of the wall.

To methis is one of the most abohorrent conflicts in earth in this day and age. Given South Africa is no longer segregated, and Rwanda reconciled.

I'd be interested to hear what's equally abhorrent in your view.

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5. rendal+A71[view] [source] 2023-12-09 00:42:59
>>cies+cB
> There's a literal wall around 2M ppl with little agency, while most of them are refugees from the other side of the wall.

There is a really very simple solution for them to have all of the dignity, agency, independence, prosperity, peace, sovereignty, stability to raise children, etc that you and I want for the Palestinian people. They only have to - and hear me out - not kill Jews. It really is that simple. Don't kill Jews, not by rockets, nor suicide bomb, nor stabbing attacks, nor stealth attacks by terror tunnels, nor any of the varied and creative ways that Jews have been attacked in the region for more than a century.

Most people think that Free Palestine means independence and sovereignty. It does not. Sovereignty has been proffered many times in the last 75 years. So given that it decidedly does not mean what we Westerners expect it means when we hear Free Somewhere - "Free Tibet" "Free Donbas" or whatever - I would like my fellow Westerners to really meditate on the meaning of the term "free" in "Free Palestine". Really ruminate on what possible meaning that can have.

Then, when you are really ready to hear what it means, read the Hamas charter. Or read about the writings, life and times of al-Husseini, the architect and sire of the Free Palestine movement.

We Westerners, especially we Americans, really impose our own views on others. Let Palestinians speak for themselves. They are very clear what Free Palestine means. We just have to listen without preconception.

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6. lazyas+jx1[view] [source] 2023-12-09 04:28:40
>>rendal+A71
So you agree that every Palestinian who has never killed a Jew is being unfairly oppressed and should be allowed to immediately live in freedom. Great, that’s what, 1.999 million of them in Gaza?
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7. rendal+Bf2[view] [source] 2023-12-09 12:17:55
>>lazyas+jx1
As I said it before, you should know by now that the "free" in Free Palestine does not, and has never, meant "freedom". That is a Western expectation imposed on the phrase. Determining what it actually means, I will leave as an exercise for the reader. As research materials, I refer you to the writings, life and times of Mohammed Amin al-Husseini who was the architect and sire of the Free Palestine movement. Note particularly the memorandum of understanding he signed on behalf of Palestians with the Nazis. I also refer you to the Hamas charter (both versions 1.0 and 2.0) (Hamas enjoys an 85% approval rating, by the way).

We know "free" does not mean "freedom" in the Western understanding of that phrase, because sovereignty has been proffered many times in 75 years. It is not what Palestinians want. You need to listen to Palestinians, not Westerners westsplaining. And then, when you are really clear on what they mean by "free", you must bravely make your own moral evaluation of whether the "free" they actually mean is something you can support. Only then, and I mean this honestly, will you be able to really understand the dynamic going on over there. Only when you understand what Palestinians, by their own words, want, will you be an effective advocate for peace and prosperity in the region.

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8. selimt+2A2[view] [source] 2023-12-09 15:21:54
>>rendal+Bf2
Amin Al-Husseini is not the only authority on the subject - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Najati_Sidqi
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9. rendal+Zj3[view] [source] 2023-12-09 20:07:29
>>selimt+2A2
We can listen to the Palestinians themselves:

"Would you be willing to share land equally with Jews in peace?"

https://youtu.be/Ry6kpYFHnxs

"Would you compromise with Israel for peace?"

https://youtu.be/CzM_QbnxOxs

"Do you want to expel the Jews?"

https://youtu.be/5VqmUgami_Y

"Why do you reject all peace offers?"

https://youtu.be/vb-nfYXm_tg

"Should Iran nuclear bomb Tel Aviv?"

https://youtu.be/RNyfUzWpeF8

"Is killing innocent Israelis heroic?"

https://youtu.be/L4qPsLfO-AQ

"What is your solution to the conflict?"

https://youtu.be/x7hQ4cMlrNU

"How do you explain Jewish archeology sites?"

https://youtu.be/mkLs-yOi9gQ

Etc

After watching that it's instructive to listen to Israelis answer the question "Why can't you admit there is an occupation?"

https://youtu.be/u_60-SwtF9M

Then "Did Israel steal Palestinian land?"

https://youtu.be/btVFgqkgkzw

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10. selimt+er4[view] [source] 2023-12-10 07:09:37
>>rendal+Zj3
Yes, I've seen many of Corey's videos.
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11. rendal+i55[view] [source] 2023-12-10 15:38:08
>>selimt+er4
Yes. So you understand, then, that Free Palestine does not mean freedom. You good with that? I mean no disrespect when I ask: are you an Islamist?
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12. selimt+Xp6[view] [source] 2023-12-11 03:29:09
>>rendal+i55
My family is Ahmedi. That should tell you everything you need to know about what “Islamists” would do to me.
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13. rendal+Rk7[view] [source] 2023-12-11 14:24:10
>>selimt+Xp6
I appreciate your sticking with me, here. I can sometimes be arrogant, especially when I think I'm being unfairly attacked (not that I was being).

I had never heard of Ahmedi before.

Is there any way through for Israelis and Palestinians?

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14. selimt+B18[view] [source] 2023-12-11 18:35:54
>>rendal+Rk7
You might be interested in looking into Ayman Odeh’s background.
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15. rendal+Tp8[view] [source] 2023-12-11 20:26:09
>>selimt+B18
Wow. It led me to this. Intense. Clear injustice. I don't get the whole moving people around, tearing down their houses thing. Seems corrupt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Yacoub_Abu_Al-Qia%2...

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16. selimt+2C8[view] [source] 2023-12-11 21:31:09
>>rendal+Tp8
Does this seem “Islamist” to you too? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Day
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