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1. jdross+15[view] [source] 2023-12-08 19:20:04
>>anigbr+(OP)
Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602

If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143...

It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1730255552738201854

US views skew pro-israel, and GenZ is closer to 50/50, so if there's something going on online, it's not in favor of Israel.

It's probably relevant that there are 1 billion Muslims to 16 million Jews, and that the largest relevant population of pro-Israeli internationals is India and Indian Hindus, and they are not on TikTok (blocked in India).

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2. sertbd+bg[view] [source] 2023-12-08 20:15:31
>>jdross+15
> Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms.

> If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views.

That platforms prioritize one over the other is just one possible explanation. An alternative explanation is that more people already have those views. And it's dishonest to present one explanation and omit the other.

Nothing inflames people like injustice.

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3. sabarn+Mt[view] [source] 2023-12-08 21:15:51
>>sertbd+bg
There is an ocean of injustice in the world and this one issue causes more anger than many that are equally abhorrent.
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4. mandma+Pw[view] [source] 2023-12-08 21:29:20
>>sabarn+Mt
Are there actually many equally abhorrent issues right now? I can think of like, 2, and they're both involving the exact same actors.

Doctors were forced at gunpoint to leave premature babies to rot at Al Nasr hospital. And you're surprised that the world is horrified?!

Journalists and healthcare staff and schools have been targeted at a shocking rate. Civil infrastructure and historic churches blown up without the thinnest veil of a reason. More UN staff killed than any 'conflict' in history. Human rights groups and genocide experts are calling this genocide, ethnic cleansing, and worse.

And this wasn't done by some poor, decimated, tin pot dictatorship. This was done by a nuclear power, and it was supported by England and American politicians against the express wishes of a large majority of their populations.

There's no gain; none. No conceivable good can come from this. Believing that such acts will end Hamas/terror is profoundly delusional.

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5. dralle+2H[view] [source] 2023-12-08 22:15:37
>>mandma+Pw
This comes off as ignorant of events happening elsewhere.

Approximately 600,000 people died in the Tigray conflict in Ethiopia in the two years from November 2020 to November 2022. 40% of the Ethiopian population is children.

The Yemeni civil war (2016-present) had killed at least 377,000 people, as of two years ago. By now, many more than that.

There are mass graves in Mali and Sudan where hundreds of bodies are just piled up on top of each other, visible from space, thanks to collaboration between Wagner Group and the local regime.

Syria is bombing their own population once again at this very moment, in continuation of their 10 year civil war which has killed at least 300,000. Notably, many, many images from the Syrian civil war have been recycled as supposed footage from Gaza (https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/12/08/images-of-syrian-...) for propaganda purposes - not that there isn't plenty of legitimate horrible footage from Gaza too.

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6. mandma+U61[view] [source] 2023-12-09 00:38:34
>>dralle+2H
None of these events are ones where American bombs, taxpayer funded, make up so much of the deadly weaponry.

None of them have higher civilian death rates per day.

None of them have so many murdered children, journalists, UN workers per capita per day (and often even in absolute terms).

None of them are so drastically David and Goliath, where one clear oppressor and occupier is killing so, so many more people.

Sudan, Libya, and Ethipoia aren't spending tens of millions of dollars funding propaganda to smear anyone who suggests they might stop genociding a people.

Even if these "events happening elsewhere" were as bad, or were as directly funded by the West, or were as one-sided - so what? What exactly is your point? What are you calling ignorant?

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7. rendal+pd1[view] [source] 2023-12-09 01:28:08
>>mandma+U61
The repetition of any and all anti-Israel rumors and dismissal of anything pro-Israel, and the rabid fury therewith, suggests that there's something more going on than just sympathy for the plight of the poor beleaguered Palestinian people. No one - not even fellow Arabs - protested on behalf of the Palestinians expelled from Kuwait, Jordan, Syria or Egypt. So, something unique about Israel, I guess. I wonder what it could be.
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8. mandma+P32[view] [source] 2023-12-09 10:32:52
>>rendal+pd1
> Rendall played the anti semitism card.

> It's not very effective.

I am curious though; what are you calling rumours? The murder of thousands upon thousands of innocent Palestinian children? The four premie babies left to rot in Al Nasr hospital? The hundred plus murdered UN workers? The targeted journalists and academics and poets? Reem and Tarek?

Those aren't rumours. They're all on video, and the world has seen them. You can go on Shaun King's Instagram and see hundreds of similar atrocities whenever you like, and so can the entire planet. They're not rumours, they're documented war crimes.

We can all see the residential blocks vaporised under cover of night. We can all see the aftermath of bombed refugee camps and humanitarian corridors and UN schools.

It is infuriating.

So, yes, I'm furious. But if anyone is rabid, it's the people committing these war crimes and atrocities, the people cheering it on, and the people accusing anyone who calls for a ceasefire of anti semitism.

If you're looking for rumours that lack evidence, try the Hamas command bases in hospitals, or the 40 beheaded babies, or the babies in ovens, or the pregnant women slit open, or the "mass rapes"; all proven lies that were spread by Israel and corporate media only to be debunked weeks later.

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9. rendal+se2[view] [source] 2023-12-09 12:07:36
>>mandma+P32
Like you, I am concerned for "thousands upon thousands of murdered" Palestinian children. We differ only on where to place blame. You blame Israel. I place responsibility squarely and solely on Hamas.

There has been no debunking of the fact of the October 7th atrocities. Hamas admits doing it, filmed themselves doing it and said they plan to do it again. You can watch their videos if you can stomach it.

These debunkings are paper-thin, special pleading rationalizations for Westerners with an incorrigible anti-Israel stance.

"Oh, a game of telephone in the fog of war led Biden to incorrectly refer to the fact of a baby cranium being found as '40 beheaded babies', so this is the excuse I will use to deny anything at all happened despite Hamas proudly admitting it"

It is sad that genuinely innocent Palestinian civilians are dying. They are another crime that Hamas will have to answer for.

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