zlacker

>>anigbr+(OP)
I have no skin in this game.

What I have seen is a confusion (perhaps intentional) between anti-semitism, and protesting Israel’s behavior since the Hamas attack in October.

Criticizing Israel’s response is not anti-Semitism- it is literally just criticizing the response.

>>Scubab+2n
The question is, what is so special about the Israeli/Palestine conflict that leads to these outsized protests? I do not recollect a similar response to the treatment of ISIS or the war in Yemen, even though both had the unconditional support of the US war machine. Even if the left could be absolved of antisemitism, the resistance groups it is aligning itself with clearly can not.

>>incrud+jq
There is something particularly grating about how Israel acts with impunity on the world stage yet continues to receive unfaltering support from the US government.

They secretly introduced nuclear weapons into the Middle East and refused to sign any of the treaties which are responsible for humanities current existence.

According to Snowden the NSA provides them with whatever data they'd like, even that on Americans, without any filtering whatsoever.

Bibi clowned all over Obama for years and yet he still had to agree with nearly every policy he pushed. Biden has been practically begging them to cut back on West Bank settlements. They won't even meet us there and still we send over money for them to do whatever they please.

As an American it's embarrassing.

>>rcpt+8w
What would you do if you were running the show in Israel? You’re responsible for a group of people that none of your neighbors want, even if they are the same race, ethnicity and religion, and those people have an ongoing campaign to push you out, which has been unsuccessful for as long as it has been going on. Oh yeah, their population is now many multiples higher than when all this started.

>>giveme+8B
What would I do? Abandon the racist and outdated ethnostate ideal, which is dying all over the world anyway, and enfranchise "those people". Instead of "two people, two states", choose "one land, one humanity". This is the only way we don't all end up nuking each other.

>>toyg+ED
> one land, one humanity

Now, remember - you are running Israel. And, most people on the right agree with you that there should just be one land, one humanity.

But, the folks in the camps - they don't want to surrender and accept citizenship to your "one land, one humanity" country.

>>giveme+jF
They were never given half the chance, so you don't really know.

>>toyg+zQ
Do you mean that if you were Israel's leader, you would give the people in the camps a chance to surrender?

>>giveme+a21
No; a chance to be full citizens in the same state, removing discrimination of "Arabs" or "Jewish", refounding the country on the basis of a modern state: separation of church and state, freedom of religion, equality for everyone before the law. Open a process to discuss reconciliation and reparations for expropriation of land (which Israel can easily afford). Give Palestinians the chance to regain their dignity and hope, in exchange for long-term peace and security.

Or do something else, I don't care; at this point one has to try anything but this slow-motion ethnic cleansing and "two states" bantustans.

>>toyg+po1
> slow-motion ethnic cleansing

There are Arabs who are full citizens of Israel, who have elected representatives in the Israeli parliament. There are also Arab judges in the Israeli supreme court. Oh, and the population of the muslim Arab citizens of Israel is much greater now than when Israel was formed. So, no ethnic cleansing there.

The Arab population in the Palestinian areas has also multiplied. So, no ethnic cleansing there either.

Israel is good at many things but it seems to be really bad at ethnic cleansing.

>>giveme+1G1
> There are Arabs who are full citizens of Israel

But they don't live in the occupied territories, duh. They are also second-class citizens de-facto, with a constant need to go through the courts to do everything they are technically entitled to but denied in practice. They are a fifth of the population but don't express anything near a fifth of the ruling classes - to pick the example you chose, 1 out of 15 supreme court judges is Arab.

It's very much like the condition of black people in the "separated but equal" era in the US, when theoretical legal equality was simply denied in the field.

> the population of the muslim Arab citizens of Israel is much greater now than when Israel was formed.

And this is the source of much public anguish in Israeli public discourse.

> The Arab population in the Palestinian areas has also multiplied.

But their land keeps shrinking. The land claimed by settlements is cleansed indeed.

> it seems to be really bad at ethnic cleansing.

Attempted murder is still a crime.