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1. jdross+15[view] [source] 2023-12-08 19:20:04
>>anigbr+(OP)
Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602

If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143...

It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1730255552738201854

US views skew pro-israel, and GenZ is closer to 50/50, so if there's something going on online, it's not in favor of Israel.

It's probably relevant that there are 1 billion Muslims to 16 million Jews, and that the largest relevant population of pro-Israeli internationals is India and Indian Hindus, and they are not on TikTok (blocked in India).

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2. sertbd+bg[view] [source] 2023-12-08 20:15:31
>>jdross+15
> Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms.

> If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views.

That platforms prioritize one over the other is just one possible explanation. An alternative explanation is that more people already have those views. And it's dishonest to present one explanation and omit the other.

Nothing inflames people like injustice.

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3. mastaz+ji[view] [source] 2023-12-08 20:24:34
>>sertbd+bg
I don't think that parent is suggesting that platforms are actively prioritising one over the other.

I think they are saying that the composition of users of these apps skews one way rather than the other due to pre existing stances, and the fact that the apps are not available in some markets.

As a result, certain views are prioritised as a byproduct of the fact that all modern social media apps have an algorithm that shows you more of what you already agree with, in order to maximise ad profits.

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4. lossol+dJ[view] [source] 2023-12-08 22:25:30
>>mastaz+ji
The majority of the world is against Israel's occupation of Palestine, a stance that is reflected in numerous UN General Assembly votes. Holding a pro-Israel position in this context represents a very US centric view, which is not similarly echoed in the rest of the world.
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5. underd+0N[view] [source] 2023-12-08 22:46:02
>>lossol+dJ
No, the majority of the world is against Israel's occupation of the West Bank, and until 2005 when Israel left Gaza, its occupation of Gaza.

The October 7th attack was carried out against civilians in their homes living on land that is internationally recognized as Israel by an overwhelming majority of countries.

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6. lossol+GS[view] [source] 2023-12-08 23:14:56
>>underd+0N
> No, the majority of the world is against Israel's occupation of the West Bank, and until 2005 when Israel left Gaza, its occupation of Gaza.

I'm not sure what you are opposing. I wrote that majority of the world is against Israel's occupation. And it's not only West Bank, this is map showing all the lands occupied by Israel with timeline https://i.stack.imgur.com/0xM5P.jpg

> The October 7th attack was carried out against civilians in their homes living on land that is internationally recognized as Israel by an overwhelming majority of countries.

Pro Palestine doesn't mean pro Hamas or pro terrorist. Here is another general assembly vote, from 26th October where majority of the world voted differently than Israel, and in favor of Palestine:

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142847

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7. underd+FV[view] [source] 2023-12-08 23:29:53
>>lossol+GS
The term "Israel's occupation of Palestine" is overloaded. It depends on how you define Palestine. Hamas defines it as all of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza.

The majority voted for a truce, which greatly favors Hamas at the expense of Israel.

Hostages are still being held in Gaza, and a truce agreement was sustained for as long as Hamas were willing to free 10 hostages per day of truce. Hamas stopped short with 137 hostages still remaining in Gaza. Why on Earth would Israel agree?

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8. lossol+rZ[view] [source] 2023-12-08 23:46:28
>>underd+FV
> The term "Israel's occupation of Palestine" is overloaded. It depends on how you define Palestine. Hamas defines it as all of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza.

I define Palestine borders same as UN resolution from 1947.

> The majority voted for a truce, which greatly favors Hamas at the expense of Israel.

I believe that the need for a truce vote would be less pressing if Israel reduced civilian and child casualties. There are accusations of Israel committing war crimes. Recently, an independent investigation into the killing of a Reuters journalist suggested that it was a deliberate attack by the IDF on civilians, constituting a war crime. They told Palestinians to go south to be safe and then they bombed them there. Responding to atrocities from 7th of October with further atrocities is not justifiable. The strategy to eradicate Hamas might be counterproductive, potentially leading to the creation of more militants than are eliminated, due to the civilian casualties caused.

> Hostages are still being held in Gaza, and a truce agreement was sustained for as long as Hamas were willing to free 10 hostages per day of truce. Hamas stopped short with 137 hostages still remaining in Gaza. Why on Earth would Israel agree?

No one is advocating for a cessation of the fight against Hamas, but there has been a loss of world support due to the methods employed. Even the US, as indicated by Blinken either today or yesterday, has stated that there are insufficient efforts being made to protect civilian lives and that Israel is saying one thing but the reality and numbers coming from Gaza says something different.

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9. dotanc+5a1[view] [source] 2023-12-09 01:03:53
>>lossol+rZ

  > I define Palestine borders same as UN resolution from 1947.
The Arabs refused that definition and started a war in an attempt to conquer more land - so complaining that the borders changed from these borders is disingenuous. The Arabs' specific intent was to change those borders.

  > I believe that the need for a truce vote would be less pressing if Israel reduced civilian and child casualties.
I believe that the need for a truce vote would be less pressing if Hamas did not use children as human shields. If you really want to protect civilians, especially children, then pressure should be on Hamas to release hostages in exchange for a truce, instead of forcing one on Israel.
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10. lazyas+dv1[view] [source] 2023-12-09 04:04:29
>>dotanc+5a1
They did not complain the borders had changed - they gave you a definition that they are using. It sounds like there is a contradictory definition you would like them to use and you are being disingenuous in simply complaining about the one they use.
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11. selimt+bF1[view] [source] 2023-12-09 06:00:42
>>lazyas+dv1
There was an ad hoc committee that changed the borders further, for example around Beersheba.
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