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1. jhalle+rK[view] [source] 2023-12-08 22:32:15
>>anigbr+(OP)
I've been watching Project Ask recently:

https://www.youtube.com/@CoreyGilShusterAskProject/videos

It's fascinating to hear opinions on the ground from both sides. Some things I've learned or concluded:

Young Palestinians are much more radical than older ones, who seem more flexible.

I personally think the two-state solution is a non-starter, and watched these videos to see if a one state solution is at all viable (meaning make Palestinians into Israeli citizens with full rights- basically the Zionists conquered the land, but they must also take the people). The problem is that neither side wants this.

Many Jewish Israelis think the Arabs would outnumber them due to birth rate, but recently Ultra-Orthodox Jews have an even higher birth rate, and Palestinian birth rate has fallen (I speculate due to increased education). Extremist settlers absolutely won't have it, and there is rampant racism. Palestinians want the Jews gone from their lands, but when pressed would probably accept those of Palestinian descent.

Sadly, I think we are going to continue with the one state with Apartheid. And, an interesting thing has happened in post-Apartheid South Africa: the realization that they are collectively poor, and not a rich first world country. One example from SA is that the electrical infrastructure was sized for only the whites, now that the full population is counted, there is just not enough, it's a big current problem. Any per-capita measurement of Israel should include the Palestinians to see the depth of this problem.

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2. marcel+fY[view] [source] 2023-12-08 23:41:36
>>jhalle+rK
> Sadly, I think we are going to continue with the one state with Apartheid

The situation is not like Apartheid in South Africa.

In Apartheid, the white minority controlled South Africa, and did things like denying the black majority the vote.

In contrast, Israel has a ~20% Arab minority (excluding Gaza and West Bank). The rights of that minority are respected. Arabs can vote in Israel, and in fact there is an Arab party in the Israeli parliament.

Gaza was largely self governing until the Oct 7th attacks. Israel has not shown any desire to "rule" Gaza.

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3. mkouba+7k1[view] [source] 2023-12-09 02:19:21
>>marcel+fY
All analogies are wrong, but humans use them as thought devices.

Let's just say that on a scale of 1 to apartheid it's not a 1.

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