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1. Scubab+2n[view] [source] 2023-12-08 20:46:21
>>anigbr+(OP)
I have no skin in this game.

What I have seen is a confusion (perhaps intentional) between anti-semitism, and protesting Israel’s behavior since the Hamas attack in October.

Criticizing Israel’s response is not anti-Semitism- it is literally just criticizing the response.

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2. ARandu+2t[view] [source] 2023-12-08 21:12:22
>>Scubab+2n
Israel and pro-Israel commentators have spent a lot of time and effort trying to ingrain the idea that Israel == Jews. Of course, not all Jews are Israeli, and not all Israelis are Jews. And there are many Jewish Israelis who are critical of the actions of the Israeli government.

Of course, a lot of criticism of Israel is rooted in antisemitism. But saying all criticism of Israel is antisemitic deflects legitimate criticism, and makes it harder to identify legitimate antisemitism.

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3. matrix+Cu[view] [source] 2023-12-08 21:19:23
>>ARandu+2t
> But saying all criticism of Israel is antisemitic deflects legitimate criticism

Who is saying this? All I've heard are people on one side insisting that people are saying this, sounds like a straw man

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4. the_ga+iw[view] [source] 2023-12-08 21:27:03
>>matrix+Cu
This isn't exactly the same, but it's pretty close. Here's Nikki Haley tweeting: "Anti-Zionism is antisemitism. No federal funds for schools that don't combat antisemitism." [1]

[1] https://twitter.com/NikkiHaley/status/1720501916088590704

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5. oytis+KP[view] [source] 2023-12-08 23:00:16
>>the_ga+iw
Anti-Zionism is asserting that the Jewish state should not exist in the land of Israel. It _is_ antisemitism. You can criticize current Israeli government and it's certain actions, while acknowledging Israel's right to exist and defend its existence.

There are plenty of people in Israel who are opposed to Netanyahu and were protesting against him before the war started, but don't doubt that destroying Hamas is justified.

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6. 8note+oW[view] [source] 2023-12-08 23:32:48
>>oytis+KP
Israel is an implementation detail, not a requirement. No state has a right to exist: people have rights, not states.
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7. oytis+zY[view] [source] 2023-12-08 23:42:45
>>8note+oW
It is about people. Jews have right for their own state and the right to defend it.
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8. cogman+I71[view] [source] 2023-12-09 00:44:55
>>oytis+zY
Are Palestinians not people? What rights should they have?
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9. xenosp+Ci1[view] [source] 2023-12-09 02:08:04
>>cogman+I71
They were granted a state on the same day as israel.
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