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1. jdross+15[view] [source] 2023-12-08 19:20:04
>>anigbr+(OP)
Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602

If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143...

It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1730255552738201854

US views skew pro-israel, and GenZ is closer to 50/50, so if there's something going on online, it's not in favor of Israel.

It's probably relevant that there are 1 billion Muslims to 16 million Jews, and that the largest relevant population of pro-Israeli internationals is India and Indian Hindus, and they are not on TikTok (blocked in India).

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2. sertbd+bg[view] [source] 2023-12-08 20:15:31
>>jdross+15
> Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms.

> If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views.

That platforms prioritize one over the other is just one possible explanation. An alternative explanation is that more people already have those views. And it's dishonest to present one explanation and omit the other.

Nothing inflames people like injustice.

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3. mastaz+ji[view] [source] 2023-12-08 20:24:34
>>sertbd+bg
I don't think that parent is suggesting that platforms are actively prioritising one over the other.

I think they are saying that the composition of users of these apps skews one way rather than the other due to pre existing stances, and the fact that the apps are not available in some markets.

As a result, certain views are prioritised as a byproduct of the fact that all modern social media apps have an algorithm that shows you more of what you already agree with, in order to maximise ad profits.

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4. Kitten+gl[view] [source] 2023-12-08 20:38:23
>>mastaz+ji
> I think they are saying that the composition of users of these apps skews one way rather than the other due to pre existing stances

I think the notion that the vast chunk of Twitter or TikTok had a pre existing stance on Israel/Palestine before Oct 7 is kind of silly, imo? Before this I could scroll Twitter without seeing anything about Israel or Palestine for... idk. Weeks, months at a time. I'll maybe see one thing on Palestine being oppressed, usually about West Bank settlements, from the one or two people who happen to be Palestinian. Now I literally cannot avoid it whenever I open either app.

I really struggle to believe anyone beyond a small minority even thought about Palestine or Israel before Oct 7.

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5. michae+an[view] [source] 2023-12-08 20:46:59
>>Kitten+gl
> I really struggle to believe anyone beyond a small minority even thought about Palestine or Israel before Oct 7.

I grew up in the 1980s and recall intense flareups on this subject matter for as long as I can remember. The arrival of the Web and social media simply amplified them.

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6. toyg+6p[view] [source] 2023-12-08 20:54:57
>>michae+an
This is the correct view. The Palestinian issue is a deeply-felt issue for a quarter of the world's population, give or take.
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7. lotsof+xq[view] [source] 2023-12-08 21:00:44
>>toyg+6p
Are those population’s countries accepting Palestinian refugees?
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8. dragon+Gs[view] [source] 2023-12-08 21:10:31
>>lotsof+xq
Mmmm.

It's not like the collective West (aside from USA) offered safe haven to Jews. We kinda just threw them into that corner of the world.

The important issue here is the obviously shrinking pseudo-state of Palestine. The 1947 borders of Palestine have shifted dramatically in Israel's favor, but Israel continues to send settlers to the West Bank.

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Hamas was wrong to attack Israel. But Israel is wrong to continue expanding its borders.

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9. underd+KO[view] [source] 2023-12-08 22:54:20
>>dragon+Gs
In 1947 there was a British rule. Before that the region was ruled by the Ottomans for some 400 years. Palestinians weren't self-governing at any point before the Oslo accords in the early 90s.
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10. dragon+7V[view] [source] 2023-12-08 23:27:14
>>underd+KO
> Before that the region was ruled by the Ottomans for some 400 years.

You don't see how being part of a large, well-regarded Muslim Empire (a true Caliphate) has an effect on the psyche of the largely Muslim Palestinians? Or why they'd be against Western-rule in the post-Ottoman world of 1918+?

I'm certainly not calling the Ottomans saints. But the Ottomans were stewards of the Muslim world for those centuries.

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If Britain realized how much trouble all of this Middle Eastern crap would be after the dissolution of the Ottomans, I'm sure they would have rewritten the terms of the Treaty of Sèvres.

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