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1. jdross+15[view] [source] 2023-12-08 19:20:04
>>anigbr+(OP)
Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602

If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143...

It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1730255552738201854

US views skew pro-israel, and GenZ is closer to 50/50, so if there's something going on online, it's not in favor of Israel.

It's probably relevant that there are 1 billion Muslims to 16 million Jews, and that the largest relevant population of pro-Israeli internationals is India and Indian Hindus, and they are not on TikTok (blocked in India).

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2. master+G9[view] [source] 2023-12-08 19:46:25
>>jdross+15
Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong.

But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

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3. beltsa+Dj[view] [source] 2023-12-08 20:30:39
>>master+G9
It depends on "Israeli what".

Anti Israeli government: It's not antisemitic.

Anti Israeli people: It's antisemitic.

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4. rushin+Fl[view] [source] 2023-12-08 20:40:24
>>beltsa+Dj
It’s more complicated than that.

Criticizing Israeli settlements in the West Bank is not antisemitic. But suggesting that Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state is antisemitic as it implies ethnic cleansing.

Both are arguably criticisms of the Israeli government.

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5. dml213+Iq[view] [source] 2023-12-08 21:01:23
>>rushin+Fl
Why is saying Israeli should not be a Jewish state any different than saying the US should not be a Christian state?
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6. unholy+Uy[view] [source] 2023-12-08 21:38:34
>>dml213+Iq
Well Jews are a cultural and ethnic group as well; so saying Israel shouldn’t be a Jewish state is similar to saying Japan shouldn’t be a Japanese state. It was explicitly established to create (or some would say reclaimed) a Jewish homeland. It’s Jewishness is central to it’s raison d'être.
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7. sterli+VD[view] [source] 2023-12-08 21:59:42
>>unholy+Uy
Japan isn't an officially Shinto state, afaik. And it wouldn't be wrong to criticize its subjugation of the indigenous Ainu people. I think that calling for a multi-ethnic, secular Japanese state is fair.
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8. dijit+mF[view] [source] 2023-12-08 22:07:32
>>sterli+VD
Japan isn’t officially a Japanese country?

Come on mate, thats possibly the most asinine and distasteful argument I have seen on this site.

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9. bluish+fG[view] [source] 2023-12-08 22:12:27
>>dijit+mF
The comment said

> Japan isn't an officially Shinto state

You are just misquoting the comment

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10. dijit+tG[view] [source] 2023-12-08 22:13:24
>>bluish+fG
What did the parent to the parent say again?

The parent was suggesting that there is a jewish religion and a jewish race and that the race is the qualifier not the religion.

Dubious to argue, but if thats the argument then bringing religion back in w.r.t. Japan is wrong and he knew it.

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