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[return to "We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO"]
1. Satam+0a[view] [source] 2023-11-22 07:05:40
>>staran+(OP)
Disappointing outcome. The process has conclusively confirmed that OpenAI is in fact not open and that it is effectively controlled by Microsoft. Furthermore, the overwhelming groupthink shows there's clearly little critical thinking amongst OpenAI's employees either.

It might not seem like the case right now, but I think the real disruption is just about to begin. OpenAI does not have in its DNA to win, they're too short-sighted and reactive. Big techs will have incredible distribution power but a real disruptor must be brewing somewhere unnoticed, for now.

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2. polite+Yj[view] [source] 2023-11-22 08:19:38
>>Satam+0a
> there's clearly little critical thinking amongst OpenAI's employees either.

That they reached a different conclusion than the outcome you wished for does not indicate a lack of critical thinking skills. They have a different set of information than you do, and reached a different conclusion.

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3. murbar+fw[view] [source] 2023-11-22 10:02:49
>>polite+Yj
If 95% of people voted in favour of apple pie, I'd become a bit suspicious of apple pie.
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4. eddtri+gJ[view] [source] 2023-11-22 11:57:52
>>murbar+fw
I think it makes sense

Sign the letter and support Sam so you have a place at Microsoft if OpenAI tanks and have a place at OpenAI if it continues under Sam, or don’t sign and potentially lose your role at OpenAI if Sam stays and lose a bunch of money if Sam leaves and OpenAI fails.

There’s no perks to not signing.

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5. _heimd+iN[view] [source] 2023-11-22 12:26:14
>>eddtri+gJ
There are perks to not signing for anyone that actually worked at OpenAI for on the mission rather than the money.
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6. Wesley+YA1[view] [source] 2023-11-22 16:30:48
>>_heimd+iN
Maybe they're working for both, but when push comes to shove they felt like they had no choice? In this economy, it's a little easier to tuck away your ideals in favor of a paycheck unfortunately.

Or maybe the mass signing was less about following the money and more about doing what they felt would force the OpenAI board to cave and bring Sam back, so they could all continue to work towards the missing at OpenAI?

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7. _heimd+h12[view] [source] 2023-11-22 18:24:48
>>Wesley+YA1
> In this economy, it's a little easier to tuck away your ideals in favor of a paycheck unfortunately.

Its a gut check on morals/ethics for sure. I'm always pretty torn on the tipping point for empathising there in an industry like tech though, even more so for AI where all the money is today. Our industry is paid extremely well and anyone that wants to hold their personal ethics over money likely has plenty of opportunity to do so. In AI specifically, there would have easily been 800 jobs floating around for AI experts that chose to leave OpenAI because they preferred the for-profit approach.

At least how I see it, Sam coming back to OpenAI is OpenAI abandoning the original vision and leaning full into developing AGI for profit. Anyone that worked there for the original mission might as well leave now, they'll be throwing AI risk out the window almost entirely.

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