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1. shubha+B7[view] [source] 2023-11-22 06:50:16
>>staran+(OP)
At the end of the day, we still don't know what exactly happened and probably, never will. However, it seems clear there was a rift between Rapid Commercialization (Team Sam) and Upholding the Original Principles (Team Helen/Ilya). I think the tensions were brewing for quite a while, as it's evident from an article written even before GPT-3 [1].

> Over time, it has allowed a fierce competitiveness and mounting pressure for ever more funding to erode its founding ideals of transparency, openness, and collaboration

Team Helen acted in panic, but they believed they would win since they were upholding the principles the org was founded on. But they never had a chance. I think only a minority of the general public truly cares about AI Safety, the rest are happy seeing ChatGPT helping with their homework. I know it's easy to ridicule the sheer stupidity the board acted with (and justifiably so), but take a moment to think of the other side. If you truly believed that Superhuman AI was near, and it could act with malice, won't you try to slow things down a bit?

Honestly, I myself can't take the threat seriously. But, I do want to understand it more deeply than before. Maybe, it isn't without substance as I thought it to be. Hopefully, there won't be a day when Team Helen gets to say, "This is exactly what we wanted to prevent."

[1]: https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/02/17/844721/ai-openai...

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2. swatco+69[view] [source] 2023-11-22 07:00:22
>>shubha+B7
> If you truly believed that Superhuman AI was near, and it could act with malice, won't you try to slow things down a bit?

FWIW, that's called zealotry and people do a lot of dramatic, disruptive things in the name of it. It may be rightly aimed and save the world (or whatever you care about), but it's more often a signal to really reflect on whether you, individually, have really found yourself at the make-or-break nexus of human existence. The answer seems to be "no" most of the time.

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3. mlyle+La[view] [source] 2023-11-22 07:11:27
>>swatco+69
Your comment perfectly justifies never worrying at all about the potential for existential or major risks; after all, one would be wrong most of the time and just engaging in zealotry.
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4. Random+Wb[view] [source] 2023-11-22 07:18:05
>>mlyle+La
Probably not a bad heuristic: unless proven, don't assume existential risk.
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5. _Alger+9i[view] [source] 2023-11-22 08:06:07
>>Random+Wb
Existential risks are usually proven by the subject being extinct at which point no action can be taken to prevent it.

Reasoning about tiny probabilities of massive (or infinite) cost is hard because the expected value is large, but just gambling on it not happening is almost certain to work out. We should still make attempts at incorporating them into decision making because tiny yearly probabilities are still virtually certain to occur at larger time scales (eg. 100s-1000s of years).

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