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>>JimDab+(OP)
I don't buy it. If you listen to Sam and Greg, they want to change the world and bring us into a world of abundance that everyone can participate in. They were the ideators of this "awkward non-profit owning a for-profit company".

Microsoft is setup to create shareholder value. That's it. Both of them will eventually find it moot to advance tech so a few folks get richer.

>>zurfer+z8
If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. Sam's history is full of the worst parts of venture capital and startup mindset. He's only an idealist so far as he's good at selling the ideal outcome and drowning out any criticism.

>>Araina+5b
I think that if Sam had followed the typical VC/Startup playbook (and he even wrote one), he never would have joined OpenAI, a nonprofit based on totally unproven tech at the time. He was already quite rich and powerful from YC, and decided to take a big risk on AI. I think there was at least some genuine idealism involved.

>>ah765+Te
Well he certainly wouldn't have joined megacorp Microsoft. And yet here we are.

>>ulfw+qg
What?

You think the guy is gonna be a regular c suite exec?

They are going to be a special group with special rules. This is so they can build off the existing code base. Only msft has that openai ip.

If they go to Google or start their own thing it's rewrite or work off someone else's painting. Not to mention building out compute infrastructure.

Big loss of time. Go to msft, get special status, maybe even an exit clause with IP included. Easy win. Was always gonna be msft if not openai negotiated return. I just didn't realize that till satya threw them the offer that worked.

These guys didn't sign up to be cogs. Satya respects them.

>>noprom+Ih
MS are minority shareholders in Open AI. What stupid agreements did OpenAI sign to give them IP rights, or are you just making things up? Maybe I should ping all the tech companies I own shares in to get them to send me their IP too

>>nprate+Tu
You can look it up.

Gpt4 is included in bing man... Bing creative mode and balanced mode both.

This is widely known. The investment included access to openai technology for integration in msft services.

Its not a traditional arrangement. This is also widely known. Its a complicated investment with a profitability sunset triggering return of equity to the nonprofit. Also included is technology transfer as long as the sunset doesn't trigger.

This is why Ilya felt comfortable to do it. He did many interviews where he explained this.

>>noprom+qw
None of what you said implies they have current legal access to the source/IP for GPT4.

The original 2019 deal was described as:

> Microsoft and OpenAI will jointly build new Azure AI supercomputing technologies

> OpenAI will port its services to run on Microsoft Azure, which it will use to create new AI technologies and deliver on the promise of artificial general intelligence

> Microsoft will become OpenAI’s preferred partner for commercializing new AI technologies

The $10 billion deal was probably not making a ton of money for MSFT as it was 75% percent of profits, which are easy to get rid of, until they get 49% of the company.

Can you explain why MSFT would spend $10 B for either of these things if they just got OpenAI’s IP?

>>svnt+xK
I'm not getting into the speculative game.

Its obvious that they have to redo less of the stack if the go to msft. At the very least, they already wrote everything to scale with azure.

With respect to IP... My comment was mostly suggesting they could enjoy privaledge to leave msft at some point in the future with IP with them.

How much of the source do they get to avoid rewriting on day 1 at msft? No idea. Could be all of it... But again... At least they already scaled into azure compute architecture and don't have to reinvent the wheel. That's not a small thing.

Not really debating it further. Seems really obvious to me that broadly speaking, for all kinds of reasons, probably access to source inckuded, they will be able to get up to speed substantially faster at msft vs anywhere else.

It's too speculative to be worse discussing in depth. We don't have enough details, but my broader assertion is more or less defensible imo. Others might disagree. Not worth a debate imo.

(edit: 'perpetual license to openai ip short of agi'

Not sure of the details. This is was I see being written.

https://stratechery.com/2023/openais-misalignment-and-micros...'