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1. boh+Fi[view] [source] 2023-11-20 14:46:25
>>skille+(OP)
There can exist an inherent delusion within elements of a company, that if left unchallenged, can persist. An agreement for instance, can seem airtight because it's never challenged, but falls apart in court. The OpenAI fallacy was that non-profit principals were guiding the success of the firm, and when the board decided to test that theory, it broke the whole delusion. Had it not fully challenged Altman, the board could've kept the delusion intact long enough to potentially pressure Altman to limit his side-projects or be less profit minded, since Altman would have an interest to keep the delusion intact as well. Now the cat is out of the bag, and people no longer believe that a non-profit who can act at will is a trusted vehicle for the future.
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2. bnralt+ns[view] [source] 2023-11-20 15:46:05
>>boh+Fi
> Now the cat is out of the bag, and people no longer believe that a non-profit who can act at will is a trusted vehicle for the future.

And maybe it’s not. The big mistake people make is hearing non-profit and think it means there’s a greater amount of morality. It’s the same mistake as assuming everyone who is religious is therefore more moral (worth pointing out that religions are nonprofits as well).

Most hospitals are nonprofits, yet they still make substantial profits and overcharge customers. People are still people, and still have motives; they don't suddenly become more moral when they join a non-prof board. In many ways, removing a motive that has the most direct connection to quantifiable results (profit) can actually make things worse. Anyone who has seen how nonprofits work know how dysfunctional they can be.

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3. maksim+ly[view] [source] 2023-11-20 16:20:07
>>bnralt+ns
> Most hospitals are nonprofits, yet they still make substantial profits and overcharge customers.

Are you talking about American hospitals?

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4. deaddo+nA[view] [source] 2023-11-20 16:30:54
>>maksim+ly
There are private hospitals all over the world. I would daresay, they're more common than public ones, from a global perspective.

In addition, public hospitals still charge for their services, it's just who pays the bill that changes, in some nations (the government as the insuring body vs a private insuring body or the individual).

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5. sangno+WW[view] [source] 2023-11-20 17:53:38
>>deaddo+nA
> There are private hospitals all over the world. I would daresay, they're more common than public ones, from a global perspective.

Outside of the US, private hospitals tend to be overtly for-profit. Price-gauging "non-profit" hospitals are mostly an American phenomenon.

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