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>>himara+(OP)
Many are speculating that Sam Altman could just move on and create another OpenAI 2.0 because he could easily attract talent and investors.

What this misses is all the regulatory capture that he’s been campaigning for. All the platforms have now closed their gardens. Authors and artists are much more vigilant about copyright etc. So it’s now a totally different game compared to 3 years ago because the data is not just there up for grabs anymore.

>>agnost+yS
I don't think getting training data is that hard still, the biggest platforms that locked down their APIs still use them for their mobile apps and can easily be reverse engineered to find keys or undocumented endpoints (or in the case of reddit, an entirely different internal API with less limits and a lot more info leaks...)

>>Shekel+nV
Can you explain the reddit one?

>>bloqs+KV
Assuming the Reddit app does not use certificate pinning, you can use your computer to provide internet to your phone and then use an app like Charles Proxy to inspect requests being made from an app. Pretty easy to reverse engineer the API.

If the app does use certificate pinning, then you can use an Android phone and a modified app that removes the logic that enforces certificate pinning. This is more involved but also not impossible.

>>4death+uW
That does not sound like the proper way to do an openAI 2.0. If Reddit ever hears that's how an AI company scraped them, they'll get sued for fun and profits.

>>philis+WW
The point is that the data is easily accessible. If you wanted to get your hands on the data while simultaneously keeping them clean, contract with a Russian contracting company to give you a data dump. You don't need to know how they got it.

>>4death+zY
Subcontracting out your crimes isn’t going to fly in court.

>>mr_toa+e51
Really? It's done pretty regularly to limit liability.

>>4death+Nd1
They make a point out of not directly asking for the crime when they do that. Just increasing pressure on subcontractors that leads to cutting corners including the law.

It is harder to prove to a "should have known" standard compared to say buying stolen speakers from the back of a truck for 20% of the list price.

>>Nasrud+lw1
There’s an implicit assumption in your argument that you’re going to directly ask for a crime to be committed. Why are you assuming that? You’ll go to a contractor and say “we want Reddit data.” Anyone with even mild technical competence can figure out how to get it.