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1. bmitc+yj[view] [source] 2023-11-20 07:19:13
>>andsoi+(OP)
Through all of this, no one has cogently explained why Altman leaving is such a big deal. Why would workers immediately quit their job when he has no other company, and does he even know who these workers are? Are these people that desperate to make a buck (or the prospect of big bucks)? It seems like half of the people working at the non-profit were not actually concerned about the mission but rather just waiting out their turn for big bucks and fame.

What does Altman bring to the table besides raising money from foreign governments and states, apparently? I just do not understand all of this. Like, how does him leaving and getting replaced by another CEO the next week really change anything at the ground level other than distractions from the mission being gone?

And the outpouring of support for someone who was clearly not operating how he marketed himself publicly is strange and disturbing indeed.

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2. MattGa+pl[view] [source] 2023-11-20 07:32:12
>>bmitc+yj
> Why would workers immediately quit their job when he has no other company

It is Sam Altman. He will have one in a week.

> It seems like half of the people working at the non-profit were not actually concerned about the mission but rather just waiting out their turn for big bucks and fame.

I would imagine most employees at any organization are not really there because of corporate values, but their own interests.

> What does Altman bring to the table besides raising money from foreign governments and states, apparently?

And one of the world's largest tech corporations. If you are interested in the money side, that isn't something to take lightly.

So I would bet it is just following the money, or at least the expected money.

The new board also wants to slow development. That isn't very exciting either.

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3. bayind+Dm[view] [source] 2023-11-20 07:40:49
>>MattGa+pl
> It is Sam Altman. He will have one in a week.

Welcome to Cargo Cult AI.

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4. alsodu+9n[view] [source] 2023-11-20 07:44:09
>>bayind+Dm
What's wrong with that statement though?

It's the AI era - VCs are going crazy funding AI startups. What makes you think Greg and Sam would have a hard time raising millions/billions and starting a new company in a week if they want to?

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5. bmitc+ho[view] [source] 2023-11-20 07:51:36
>>alsodu+9n
How will they come up with the idea? One is an investor and the other is an infrastructure software engineer.
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6. alsodu+ip[view] [source] 2023-11-20 07:58:02
>>bmitc+ho
What idea are you talking about? They are not your classic founders coming up with an idea to join Y combinator. They build OpenAI for many years, they know what to do.

It won't be hard for them to hire researchers and engineers, from OpenAI or other places.

Questions like this makes me wonder if you are a troll. I won't continue this thread.

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7. bayind+Xp[view] [source] 2023-11-20 08:01:11
>>alsodu+ip
Being able to hire researchers and, even the top talent doesn't guarantee that they'll be the top company or even succeed at what they're building.

This is what I referred as "Cargo Cult AI". You can get the money, but money is not the only ingredient needed to make things happen.

edit: Looks like they won't have a brand new company next week, but joining an existing one.

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8. xcv123+tr[view] [source] 2023-11-20 08:07:17
>>bayind+Xp
Nothing can guarantee that. Investors always accept risk.

He has a better chance than some other random guy who was not the CEO of OpenAI.

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9. bayind+ju[view] [source] 2023-11-20 08:18:50
>>xcv123+tr
Let's see whether Satya Nadella's bet on that risk will pay or not. Chance is a "biased random" in the real world. Let's see whether his bias is strong enough to make a difference.
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10. xcv123+Hv[view] [source] 2023-11-20 08:23:46
>>bayind+ju
Are you talking about OpenAI or about Sam Altman's hypothetical new company?

OpenAI already had the best technology fully developed and in production when Microsoft invested in them.

I believe "cargo cult" means something quite different to how you're using it.

It's not "cargo cult" to consider someone's CV when you hire them for a new job. Sam Altman ran a successful AI company before and he most likely can do it again if provided enough support and resources.

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11. bayind+CB[view] [source] 2023-11-20 08:51:08
>>xcv123+Hv
> Are you talking about OpenAI or about Sam Altman's hypothetical new company?

About him and Greg joining to Microsoft.

> I believe "cargo cult" means something quite different to how you're using it.

I don't think so.

Tribes believed that building wooden air strips or planes would bring the goods they have seen during wartime.

People believe that bringing Altman will bring the same thing (OpenAI as is) exactly where it's left off.

Altman is just tip of the iceberg. Might have some catalyst inside him, but he's not the research itself or the researcher himself.

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12. xcv123+4R[view] [source] 2023-11-20 10:24:41
>>bayind+CB
OpenAI did not invent the transformer architecture. It was not their original research, but they implemented it well. Sam Altman led the company that implemented and executed it. Deep learning is not a secret. It just needs a lot of resources to be executed properly. OpenAI doesn't have any secret methods unknown to the rest of the AI community. They have strong engineering and execution. It is certainly within the CEO's power to influence that.
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13. bayind+aV[view] [source] 2023-11-20 10:56:46
>>xcv123+4R
I don't claim that OpenAI will be the same without Sam, but Sam will be powerless without OpenAI.

What I say is, both lost their status quo (OpenAI as the performer, Sam as the leader), and both will have to re-adjust and re-orient.

The magic smoke has been let out. Even if you restore the "configuration" of OpenAI with Sam and all employees before Friday, it's almost impossible to get the same company from these parts.

Again, Sam was part of what made OpenAI what it is, and without it, he won't be able to perform the same. Same is equally valid for OpenAI.

Things are changing, it's better to observe rather than dig for an entity or a person. Life is bigger than both of them, even when combined.

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