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>>outrun+(OP)
at this point returning would make the situation worse. better a completely fresh start if openai is to have a future.

>>superg+kK
Sam wins either way and holds all the power with Microsoft’s backing. The only question is whether OpenAI survives (it will not if Sam and Microsoft go elsewhere) and who gets purged post coup attempt.

>>toomuc+oM2
In the left corner, Microsoft and the guy that founded Loopt.

In the right corner the company that created and still completely controls GPT-4.

Why are you so sure about who wins this face off?

>>CPLX+MP2
Because you can't train and operate models at scale with ideology. Costs money and compute. Without funding and compute, OpenAI is a bunch of smart folks with laptops talking AI safety in an office until the cashflow dries up.

People who want to get paid or are loyal to Sam will follow Sam. Microsoft is clearly behind Sam. "Whoever holds the gold makes the rules."

EDIT: gkoberger said it far better, and captures the value beyond the physical and fiat components of the power struggle: >>38337782

"I don't think he's on his own. All those people he helped in the past have come out to support him. Almost his entire company (minus the board) has publicly supported him. His team is currently hosting him at the office with hopes to reinstate him. The CEO who temporarily replaced him has publicly and privately supported his return. OpenAI's investors are backing him. His cofounder quit in solidarity.

Turns out the secret to getting through something like this is to simply have spent the past 15+ years genuinely helping everyone you've ever come across."

>>toomuc+0Q2
OpenAI has the most valuable new technology product in a generation and it’s already monetized. It’s also a charity and could give a fuck about growth beyond the extent needed to meet their goals.

The idea that Microsoft is somehow the one irreplaceable part of this formula is completely fucking bizzare.

>>CPLX+vQ2
They have the GPUs and there's a GPU shortage already. What do you think is going to happen when they lose that access in $10bn compute? Given the shortage and other vendors being mostly locked up already, there's not much OpenAI can do. And that's not considering that the board is facing immense pressure internally starting from the very temporary CEO that they put in place two days ago to various members of senior leadership threatening to resign (with many employees being paid in options dependent on valuations that the board just destroyed). The board may have de jure power but that is nothing without the de facto power associated with it.

>>trajec+XS2
Microsoft is going to walk away from the most strategic deal they’ve made in a decade to save the Loopt guy’s ego?

I feel like everyone should be forced to watch a few Game of Thrones episodes before commenting. Organizations act in their own self interest. Leaders are convinced they’re irreplaceable all the way to the gallows steps.

If Sam can sabotage OpenAI or if the remaining people can’t capably run the organization then sure people will walk away. But if they keep things from falling apart nobody is going to give a fuck.