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>>davidb+(OP)
Ilya booted him https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725702501435941294

>>johnwh+Uc1
Jeremy Howard called ngmi on OpenAI during the Vanishing Gradients podcast yesterday, and Ilya has probably been thinking the same: LLM is a dead-end and not the path to AGI.

https://twitter.com/HamelHusain/status/1725655686913392933

>>dwd+zL1
Did we ever think LLMs were a path to AGI...? AGI is friggin hard, I don't know why folks keep getting fooled whenever a bot writes a coherent sentence.

>>erhaet+1O1
It's mostly a thing among the youngs I feel. Anybody old enough to remember the same 'OMG its going to change the world' cycles around AI every two or three decades knows better. The field is not actually advancing. It still wrestles with the same fundamental problems they were doing in the early 60s. The only change is external, where computer power gains and data set size increases allow brute forcing problems.

>>Rugged+9P1
> The field is not actually advancing.

Uh, what do you mean by this? Are you trying to draw a fundamental science vs engineering distinction here?

Because today's LLMs definitely have capabilities we previously didn't have.

>>concor+T42
They don't have 'artificial intelligence' capabilities (and never will).

But it is an interesting technology.

>>oska+372
They can be the core part of a system that can do a junior dev's job.

Are you defining "artificial intelligence" is some unusual way?

>>concor+y72
I'm defining intelligence in the usual way and intelligence requires understanding which is not possible without consciousness

I follow Roger Penrose's thinking here. [1]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aiGybCeqgI&t=721s

>>oska+k82
I think answering this may illuminate the division in schools of thought: do you believe life was created by a higher power?

>>Zambyt+jC2
My beliefs aren't really important here but I don't believe in 'creation' (i.e. no life -> life); I believe that life has always existed

>>oska+DD2
Do you believe:

1) Earth has an infinite past that has always included life

2) The Earth as a planet has a finite past, but it (along with what made up the Earth) is in some sense alive, and life as we know it emerged from that life

3) The Earth has a finite past, and life has transferred to Earth from somewhere else in space

4) We are the Universe, and the Universe is alive

Or something else? I will try to tie it back to computers after this short intermission :)