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1. skygaz+R1[view] [source] 2023-11-18 23:01:16
>>medler+(OP)
Man, the board already looked reckless and incompetent, but this solidifies the appearance. You can do crazy ill-advised things, but if you unwaveringly commit, we’ll always wonder if you’re secretly a genius. But when you immediately backtrack, we’ll know you were a fool all along.
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2. hn_thr+17[view] [source] 2023-11-18 23:24:32
>>skygaz+R1
Dude, everyone already thinks the board did a crazy ill-advised thing. They're about to be the board of like a 5 person or so company if they double down and commit.

To be honest I hate takes like yours, where people think that acknowledging a mistake (even a giant mistake) is a sign of weakness. A bigger sign of weakness in my opinion is people who commit to a shitty idea just because they said it first, despite all evidence to the contrary.

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3. 015a+xg[view] [source] 2023-11-19 00:11:46
>>hn_thr+17
Bad take. Not "everyone" feels that what they did was wrong. We don't have insight into what's going on internally. Optics matter; the division over their decision means that its definitionally non-obvious what the correct path forward is; or, that there isn't one correct path, but multiple reasonable paths. To admit a mistake of this magnitude is to admit that you're either so unprincipled that your mind can be changed at a whim; or that you didn't think through the decision enough preemptively. These are absolutely signs of weakness in leadership.
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4. tick_t+Xl[view] [source] 2023-11-19 00:44:53
>>015a+xg
> Bad take. Not "everyone" feels that what they did was wrong.

But everyone important does so who cares about the rest?

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5. no_wiz+um[view] [source] 2023-11-19 00:48:42
>>tick_t+Xl
You mean the “the rest” as in the people who execute on the company vision?

It’s really dismissive toward the rank and file to think that they don’t matter at all.

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6. hn_thr+dL[view] [source] 2023-11-19 03:34:10
>>no_wiz+um
> It’s really dismissive toward the rank and file to think that they don’t matter at all.

I had the exact opposite take. If I were rank and file I'd be totally pissed how this all went down, and the fact that there are really only 2 possible outcomes:

1. Altman and Brockman announce another company (which has kind of already happened), so basically every "rank and file" person is going to have to decide which "War of the Roses" team they want to be on.

2. Altman comes back to OpenAI, which in any case will result in tons of time turmoil and distraction (obviously already has), when most rank and file people just want to do their jobs.

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