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1. dschue+D3[view] [source] 2023-11-18 07:38:34
>>convex+(OP)
Are those the first cracks in the AI market bubble?
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2. huyter+X3[view] [source] 2023-11-18 07:43:26
>>dschue+D3
Is it a bubble if it’s useful and I use it dozens of time a day?
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3. mi3law+m4[view] [source] 2023-11-18 07:46:48
>>huyter+X3
It can be useful in certain contexts, most certainly as a code co-pilot, but that and yours/others' usage doesn't change the fundamental mismatch between the limits of this tech and what Sam and others have hyped it up to do.

We've already trained it on all the data there is, it's not going to get "smarter" and it'll always lack true subjective understanding, so the overhype has been real, indeed to bubble levels as per OP.

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4. tempes+T4[view] [source] 2023-11-18 07:51:08
>>mi3law+m4
> it's not going to get "smarter" and it'll always lack true subjective understanding

What is your basis for those claims? Especially the first one; I would think it's obvious that it will get smarter; the only questions are how much and how quickly. As far as subjective understanding, we're getting into the nature of consciousness territory, but if it can perform the same tasks, it doesn't really impact the value.

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5. mi3law+Sc[view] [source] 2023-11-18 09:02:26
>>tempes+T4
My basis for these claims is from my research career, work described so far at aolabs.ai; still very much in progress, but form what I've learned I can respond to the 2 claims you're poking at--

1) we should agree on what we mean by smart or intelligent. That's really hard to do so let's narrow it down to "does not hallucinate" the way GPT does, or more high level has a subjective understanding of its own that another agent can reliably come to trust. I can tell you that AI/deep learning/LLM hallucination is a technically unsolvable problem, so it'll never get "smarter" in that way.

2) This connects to number 2. Humans and animals of course aren't infinitely "smart;" we fuck up and hallucinate in ways of our own, but that's just it, we have a grounded truth of our own, born of a body and emotional experience that grounds our rational experience, or the consciousness you talk about.

So my claim is really one claim, that AI cannot perform the same tasks or "true" intelligence level of a human in the sense of not hallucinating like GPT without having a subjective experience of its own.

There is no answer or understanding "out there;" it's all what we experience and come to understand.

This is my favorite topic. I have much more to share on it including working code, though at a level of an extremely simple organism (thinking we can skip to human level and even jump exponentially beyond that is what I'm calling out as BS).

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6. Paul-C+nD[view] [source] 2023-11-18 12:32:16
>>mi3law+Sc
I don't see why "does not hallucinate" is a viable definition for "intelligent." Humans hallucinate, both literally, and in the sense of confabulating the same way that LLMs do. Are humans not intelligent?
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