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1. Drbles+jW1[view] [source] 2023-11-17 02:59:57
>>mikece+(OP)
2022 Salaries for those interested: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/824...

Compensation Key Employees and Officers Base Related Other

Jim O'leary (Vp, Engineering) $666,909 $0 $33,343

Ehren Kret (Chief Technology Officer) $665,909 $0 $8,557

Aruna Harder (Chief Operating Officer) $444,606 $0 $20,500

Graeme Connell (Software Developer) $444,606 $0 $35,208

Greyson Parrelli (Software Developer) $422,972 $0 $35,668

Jonathan Chambers (Software Developer) $420,595 $0 $28,346

Meredith Whittaker (Director / Pres Of Signal Messenger) $191,229 $0 $6,032

Moxie Marlinspike (Dir / Ceo Of Sig Msgr Through 2/2022) $80,567 $0 $1,104

Brian Acton (Pres/Sec/Tr/Ceo Sig Msgr As Of 2/2022) $0 $0 $0

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2. jilles+Fq2[view] [source] 2023-11-17 07:58:20
>>Drbles+jW1
Aside from the salaries, which I agree are a problem, I think there are a lot of architectural issues that are both costly and not so secure.

> We use third-party services to send a registration code via SMS or voice call in order to verify that the person in possession of a given phone number actually intended to sign up for a Signal account. Simple solution, go distributed.

6M $ for that. Stop doing that. What do dictators control? Mobile phone networks and other infrastructure. And, yes, they really do go after people any way they can.

This "cost" puts people into danger. Coupling identity and operator infrastructure is a critical privacy flaw. And a costly one too apparently. If your #1 goal is to be the most private solution, this cannot be tolerated to continue to be the case. Get rid of it. Your identity should be your cryptographic key.

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3. jwestb+mx2[view] [source] 2023-11-17 09:07:31
>>jilles+Fq2
> which I agree are a problem

Are they? These salaries are much lower than most tech competitors. I know we like to call out "high" salaries when a useful service is struggling - but they'll struggle even more if they can't retain good talent because their pay is too low. There's a reason tech skill in government is generally lower than that in industry, for instance.

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4. waffle+lE2[view] [source] 2023-11-17 10:15:21
>>jwestb+mx2
> Are they? These salaries are much lower than most tech competitors.

That really depends on the location these people are working from. In most of the world, those are insanely high salaries.

A company like this doesn't need to be based in SV.

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5. xtract+7k3[view] [source] 2023-11-17 14:38:50
>>waffle+lE2
I tended to agree with your sentiment. But the reality is that for some unknown reason to me, it's companies from SV the ones that get famous and used globally.

Why didn't this start from say Mexico? Or Singapore or Vietnam? Or at least Germany which has a good record of freedom conscious tech scene .

My bet is in something related to the "maslow pyramid": people in SV have so much money that have everything solved in their lives, so they have the luxury of spending their time in this sort of problems.

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6. lebed2+vC6[view] [source] 2023-11-18 08:19:33
>>xtract+7k3
Many messengers companies started outside of SV,

• Telegram - Founded: Russia, Headquartered: Dubai, Users: 500M+

• WeChat - Founded: China, Headquartered: Shenzhen, Users: 1.2B+

• LINE - Founded: Japan, Headquartered: Tokyo, Users: 84M (Japan)

• Viber - Founded: Israel, Headquartered: Luxembourg, Users: 1B+

• KakaoTalk - Founded: South Korea, Headquartered: Jeju City, Users: 52M+

• Zalo - Founded: Vietnam, Headquartered: Ho Chi Minh City, Users: 100M+

• ICQ - Founded: Israel, Headquartered: Cyprus, used to have big market share

• Skype - Founded: Estonia, Headquartered: Luxembourg/USA, Users: 40M daily

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