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1. baidif+aq[view] [source] 2023-11-17 22:16:39
>>davidb+(OP)
- Cant be a personal scandal, press release would be worded much more differently

- Board is mostly independent and those independent dont have equity

- They talk about not being candid - this is legalese for “lying”

The only major thing that could warrant something like this is Sam going behind the boards back to make a decision (or make progress on a decision) that is misaligned with the Charter. Thats the only fireable offense that warrants this language.

My bet: Sam initiated some commercial agreement (like a sale) to an entity that would have violated the “open” nature of the company. Likely he pursued a sale to Microsoft without the board knowing.

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2. romanh+Hs[view] [source] 2023-11-17 22:28:22
>>baidif+aq
Or rejected a sale without the board knowing.
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3. giveme+cD[view] [source] 2023-11-17 23:18:20
>>romanh+Hs
Are non-profit businesses allowed to sell? Who gets the money?
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4. tw04+GN[view] [source] 2023-11-18 00:09:18
>>giveme+cD
Why not? They could take all the profit from the sale and distribute it to the executives and remain non-profit.

Even If that didn’t work, it would just mean paying taxes on the revenue from the sale. There’s no retroactive penalty for switching from a non-profit to a for-profit (or more likely being merged into a for-profit entity).

I am not an accountant or lawyer and this isn’t legal advice.

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5. erosen+WE1[view] [source] 2023-11-18 06:02:00
>>tw04+GN
That's not quite right. However, before explaining, it is moot because OpenAI's for-profit subsidiary probably captures most of the value anyway.

The nonprofit shell exists because the founders did not want to answer to shareholders. If you answer to shareholders, you may have a legal fiduciary responsibility to sell out to high bidder. They wanted to avoid this.

Anyway, in a strict nonprofit, the proceeds of a for-profit conversion involves a liquidation where usually the proceeds must go to some other nonprofit or a trust or endowment of some sort.

Example would be a Catholic hospital sell out. The proceeds go to the treasury of the local nonprofit Catholic dioceses. The buyers and the hospital executives do not get any money. Optionally, the new for-profit hospital could hold some of the proceeds in a charitable trust or endowment governed by an independent board.

So it's not as simple as just paying tax on a sale because the cash has to remain in kind of a nonprofit form.

I am not an accountant either and obviously there are experts who probably can poke holes in this.

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