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1. baidif+aq[view] [source] 2023-11-17 22:16:39
>>davidb+(OP)
- Cant be a personal scandal, press release would be worded much more differently

- Board is mostly independent and those independent dont have equity

- They talk about not being candid - this is legalese for “lying”

The only major thing that could warrant something like this is Sam going behind the boards back to make a decision (or make progress on a decision) that is misaligned with the Charter. Thats the only fireable offense that warrants this language.

My bet: Sam initiated some commercial agreement (like a sale) to an entity that would have violated the “open” nature of the company. Likely he pursued a sale to Microsoft without the board knowing.

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2. podnam+js[view] [source] 2023-11-17 22:27:17
>>baidif+aq
Doesn’t make any sense. He is ideologically driven - why would he risk a once in a lifetime opportunity for a mere sale?

Desperate times calls for desperate measures. This is a swift way for OpenAI to shield the business from something which is a PR disaster, probably something which would make Sam persona non grata in any business context.

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3. dogcom+ct[view] [source] 2023-11-17 22:30:59
>>podnam+js
He claims to be ideologically driven. OpenAI's actions as a company up til now point otherwise
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4. dmix+0v[view] [source] 2023-11-17 22:38:32
>>dogcom+ct
Sam didn't take equity in OpenAi so I don't see a personal ulterior profit motive as being a big likelihood. We could just wait to find out instead of speculating...
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5. marvin+cx[view] [source] 2023-11-17 22:48:01
>>dmix+0v
CEO of the first company to own the «machine that’s better than all humans at most economically valuable work» is far rarer than getting rich.
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6. jeffwa+BJ[view] [source] 2023-11-17 23:48:05
>>marvin+cx
He's already set for life rich
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7. ljm+0M[view] [source] 2023-11-18 00:01:15
>>jeffwa+BJ
Plus, he succeeded in making HN the most boring forum ever.

8 out of 10 posts are about LLMs.

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8. cpeth+121[view] [source] 2023-11-18 01:19:52
>>ljm+0M
In terms of impact, LLMs might be the biggest leap forward in computing history, surpassing the internet and mobile computing. And we are just at the dawn of it. Even if not full AGI, computers can now understand humans and reason. The excitement is justified.
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9. MrVand+781[view] [source] 2023-11-18 01:55:36
>>cpeth+121
Nah. LLM's are hype-machines capable of writing their own hype.

Q: What's the difference between a car salesman and an LLM?

A: The car salesman knows they're lying to you.

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10. MVisse+Xc1[view] [source] 2023-11-18 02:36:07
>>MrVand+781
Who says the LLM’s don’t know?

Testing with GPT-4 showed that they were clearly capable of knowingly lying.

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11. native+Kh1[view] [source] 2023-11-18 03:12:59
>>MVisse+Xc1
This is all devolving into layers of semantics, but, “…capable of knowingly lying,” is not the same as “knows when it’s lying,” and I think the latter is far more problematic.
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