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[return to "Privacy is priceless, but Signal is expensive"]
1. DavidS+JZ[view] [source] 2023-11-16 20:48:08
>>mikece+(OP)
Personally, I refuse to financially support Signal so long as they're still holding my chat logs hostage on my old iPhone and seem not at all concerned about solving this problem, which has existed for years.

There was (and still is, so far as I know) no upfront warning to users that if they don't first sync with a desktop client, and their phone gets lost or stolen, their iTunes backups do not (unlike most iPhone applications) contain their Signal chats. And furthermore, there's no way to export those chats in backup format from an old phone.

(You can transfer, but the transfer deletes the data from the original source, which is extremely foolish and dangerous IMO, and anyways isn't a proper export accessible from other applications. Furthermore, so far as I know there's no support for transferring from very old versions of the Signal client.)

This has been a critical bug for years [1], it's one of the most complained about issues, and Signal has done (and intends to do) absolutely nothing to fix it. It is absolutely unacceptable to have our own data held hostage by them in this way, especially without any upfront warning.

[1] https://community.signalusers.org/t/ios-backup-keeping-messa...

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2. marssa+u71[view] [source] 2023-11-16 21:23:21
>>DavidS+JZ
Perhaps Signal is not the right choice for you? It seems odd to be so concerned about data retention from a system which prominently features support for disappearing messages!
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3. DavidS+a81[view] [source] 2023-11-16 21:26:23
>>marssa+u71
I expect messages to disappear when I turn on disappearing messages and not when I don’t turn them on.

But yes, I agree it’s not the right choice for me and many others who want to have full ownership over our data, and they should make that clear in advance.

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4. kortex+He1[view] [source] 2023-11-16 22:00:33
>>DavidS+a81
> But yes, I agree it’s not the right choice for me and many others who want to have full ownership over our data,

The whole point of Signal is you have full ownership of your data. You said you can transfer the data to another device, right? I get that inability to export cleanly is an annoying bug, but technically you have full control over your data the whole time. It seems to me that it's easier to guarantee no one else can get your data (at the expense of data export friction), than it is to provide "do anything you might want with your data" while still guaranteeing privacy.

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5. eviks+Pw2[view] [source] 2023-11-17 09:02:03
>>kortex+He1
Control isn't the same as ownership, so even technically it doesn't work
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