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1. Aissen+Lb[view] [source] 2023-11-16 17:07:32
>>mikece+(OP)
The cloud tax is crazy (especially bandwidth). Pretty sure Signal has reached the scale where they would be cheaper by building their infra, maybe starting with the most expensive (storage + bandwidth), and then doing others.

SMS is (unfortunately) core to the product, so I'm not certain how they could make it cheaper, while retaining the same properties (user+pass registration would be a nightmare for spam and change the UX).

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2. Raston+rf[view] [source] 2023-11-16 17:19:39
>>Aissen+Lb
Anyone know much does it become worth it to build your own? They spend around $3-4m on storage and bandwidth
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3. Aachen+0C[view] [source] 2023-11-16 18:59:07
>>Raston+rf
> millions upon millions of new people suddenly switched to Signal in January 2021 after WhatsApp updated their Terms of Service

From a footnote of the article. Maybe this is why they've stayed with "infinite scale, infinite costs" (commonly known as "cloud") so long? Surely at some point this is worth considering though, I would also be curious where that point lies

Virtually anyone, also when spending only 100 euros/month on server providers, can save a large percentage of costs by taking it in-house. There might be a gap where you need dedicated personnel and it's briefly cheaper to outsource before you grow and it inverts again, but generally if you've got a stable service then this is nearly always worth it

Maybe a hybrid, where new users onboard onto cloud and they buy hardware for expected loads (i.e. current users), would be the most cost effective. I wonder how hard that is to combine the two worlds, but anything that requires more than one server already has that sort of communication going on so there shouldn't be any real blockers. Maybe the two types of infra add costs/risks again and that's why one rarely sees this setup?

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4. melbou+w51[view] [source] 2023-11-16 21:12:38
>>Aachen+0C
I know AWS - and I would guess the others too - discourage hybrid by setting the egress traffic costs to extreme levels
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