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1. Duneda+Z[view] [source] 2023-11-16 16:22:44
>>mikece+(OP)
> Storage: $1.3 million dollars per year.

> Servers: $2.9 million dollars per year.

> Registration Fees: $6 million dollars per year.

> Total Bandwidth: $2.8 million dollars per year.

> Additional Services: $700,000 dollars per year.

Signal pays more for delivering verification SMS during sign-up, than for all other infrastructure (except traffic) combined. Wow, that sounds excessive.

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2. jawns+w7[view] [source] 2023-11-16 16:49:57
>>Duneda+Z
Phone numbers have become the de facto version of "Internet stamps" for identity verification.

They are near-ubiquitous on a per-user level, but hard to accumulate without significant cost. (Unlike email addresses.)

But the down side is that phone verification tends to be on a per-service level. So, for instance, Signal incurs these costs when they verify their users, and every other service incurs these same costs when they verify _their_ users.

There are a number of businesses out there that are trying to act as clearinghouses, where they verify the users once, then allow the users' verified profiles to be confirmed by multiple services.

I wonder if any of those could be used to reduce these "registration" costs.

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3. supriy+L7[view] [source] 2023-11-16 16:51:02
>>jawns+w7
Phone number verification is used to verify the user's registration intent, so not really.
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4. explai+wg[view] [source] 2023-11-16 17:23:09
>>supriy+L7
A Flow:

> Service A => User: Please Enter Your Phone Number and Email

> Service A => Clearinghouse: Please verify phone number XXX wants to sign up for an account with us

> Clearinghouse => User (SMS): Please respond with the Email you used at signup to confirm you want an account with Service A

Later...

> Service B => User: Please Enter Your phone number and Email

> Service B => Clearinghouse: Please verify phone number XXX wants to sign up for an account with us

> Clearinghouse => User (Email): Please verify you want an account with Service B

Not saying it's great (providing email twice is annoying), but it's something.

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5. rezona+1k[view] [source] 2023-11-16 17:36:20
>>explai+wg
This does not reduce the overall cost, it just shifts it to the clearinghouse. Who pays the clearinghouse so that they can cover their own exorbitant SMS costs?
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6. explai+dq[view] [source] 2023-11-16 18:03:10
>>rezona+1k
You miss the crux of it: the second time onward the clearing houses uses email to authenticate the previously-SMS-verified account.
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