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>>todsac+(OP)
Not a huge Steve Jobs fanboy, but I always liked his quote[1] about craftsmanship, sweating the details, and giving a fuck:

“When you’re a carpenter making a beautiful chest of drawers, you’re not going to use a piece of plywood on the back, even though it faces the wall and nobody will ever see it. You’ll know it’s there, so you’re going to use a beautiful piece of wood on the back. For you to sleep well at night, the aesthetic, the quality, has to be carried all the way through.”

I think software as a whole suffers greatly from this "well, I got it barely done, technically fulfilling the requirements, so my work is over" attitude.

1: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/445621-when-you-re-a-carpen...

>>ryandr+n4
I just feel like doing nice wood work is a lot easier than building shit on top of shit. Mostly I mean, an organization is full of shit, shit process, software and unfortunately, people. It takes a high level of mastery and maturity to know when to bust out the scalpel and start cutting the cancer out and know how to do it effectively without re-occurrence.

The first thing a good carpenter will do is make sure the house they're about to renovate is square and true. If it's not, they will have tricks to make the walls square and true, they're not just going to polish the turd or put glitter on it.

Jobs at Apple probably had a lot of opportunity to work on a lot of greenfield things, which I'd say 99% of people don't have the luxury or doing.

I also like his quote and attitude btw, just realistically, most of us won't ever get live in that world.