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>>todsac+(OP)
I tend to consider bullshit any point that finds somehow acceptable thinking that people is lazy, in this society, in this world, on this planet, ffs we have to work 40 hrs per week per decades and rest after reincarnation, and you want to talk about laziness? Let's talk about how any bit of mental energy is extracted to built other's wealth and then when you are too old to do nothing other than watching work in progress they just spit you out

when I am supposed to fix tech debt? if every week there is another functionality going out that needs to be done yesterday? Do you think that I have to do it in my free time? Why should I even bother existing

>>lnxg33+h1
> when I am supposed to fix tech debt?

Try to lie about how long will it take. Just today I finished* 1-month almost total rewrite of firmware for one of devices at my work. It started as a 1-week small rewrite of part of communication module for a small bug and was scheduled as that. But I've got chill PM and coworkers who will appreciate that now we can actually fix some 8yr old bugs in legacy parts of that code.

* well, now some testing of edge cases and another round of fixes but at least remote code updating works so we can ship those devices...

Edit: "Lie" is call to action here, there were some misunderstanding in comments. Previous start of my comment was "Lie. ..."

>>yetihe+p3
> But I've got chill PM ...

Have you considered that perhaps your personal perspective is not exactly representative of large swathes of the industry and that many (if not most) workers do not have the agency and/or leeway to place place themselves in a comparable situation?

I wouldn't be so cut-and-dry with your assertion that the parent post is "lying".

>>Chabsf+w5
>Have you considered that perhaps your personal perspective is not exactly representative of large swathes of the industry

Do most software engineering jobs not have good PM's? Asking since I started my first real software engineering job last year, it doesn't pay the best but the PM is great and very hands off. I wonder if that itself is worth holding onto the job a while.

>>robotn+PI
PM quality varies a lot and is hard to judge when interviewing for most IC roles. (As in, you often don't get to talk to those folks directly. You can ask probing questions of other folks, but feedback is a bit of a crapshoot.)

If you have management that you like working with, and the work is pretty good, yes, that in and of itself is a pretty good reason to stay for a while.