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>>todsac+(OP)
I tend to consider bullshit any point that finds somehow acceptable thinking that people is lazy, in this society, in this world, on this planet, ffs we have to work 40 hrs per week per decades and rest after reincarnation, and you want to talk about laziness? Let's talk about how any bit of mental energy is extracted to built other's wealth and then when you are too old to do nothing other than watching work in progress they just spit you out

when I am supposed to fix tech debt? if every week there is another functionality going out that needs to be done yesterday? Do you think that I have to do it in my free time? Why should I even bother existing

>>lnxg33+h1
Being not-lazy in your work is not the same as working lots of hours.

>>qup+Y2
No, this is absolutely not true.

Laziness is not working hard.

What you're talking about is something else.

Sloppy or Careless work maybe?

But not lazy. If you're working 40+ hours a week you're definitely not lazy.

>>bluefi+S3
Most people consider low-effort to be lazy.

You can absolutely put in a lot of hours, but be putting in near-zero effort. This results in sloppy or careless work, but the root cause is the laziness of the person.

>>Prozia+j4
I agree. I see it all the time. Huge amounts of hours being wasted "working hard", and running away from answering the real questions which would double the (positive) output in half the time.

That said, I think "laziness" is only a small part of the answer. It seems to me that it's usually about an emotional response. Kind of like procrastination. The hard questions hit hard. There's a real good-feeling self-satisfaction from putting in hours of sweat.

>>winwan+R5
> I agree. I see it all the time. Huge amounts of hours being wasted "working hard", and running away from answering the real questions which would double the (positive) output in half the time.

I think a lot of times we are put in boxes, and our roles are pretty heavily constrained, such that we do not have the power to "answer the real questions." Raise your hand anyone who's had this conversation with their manager:

Manager: "Dev, I'd like you to take more responsibility, be transformational, be a 'force multiplier' for the team!"

Dev: "OK, let me make major architectural decisions without having to get approval from three levels of managers."

Manager: "Uh, wait..."

Dev: "Let me hire and fire, and build up a team of direct reports."

Manager: "Hold up..."

Dev: "Give me a budget to spend on tools, training, contractors, and so on."

Manager: "Whoa, whoa, whoa.. I didn't mean that transformational..."