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1. dbingh+55[view] [source] 2023-09-30 15:40:06
>>geox+(OP)
We really need to change the regulations around the introduction of new chemical compounds to our environment on a mass scale.

We keep encountering situations like this where a new chemical compound was introduced, becomes ubiquitous in our diets or environments and only later do we find out "Oops, it has serious health or environmental consequences."

It is worth the cost of slower introduction of new materials to take the time to ensure that those materials are safe. We're still paying the cost of introducing lead into our environment in a myriad of subtle ways. We still don't fully understand what the cost of the introduction of microplastics or PFAS is going to be. And regardless of the whether this particular study holds up under replication it is looking increasingly likely that aspartame is not something we should be consuming.

And what's most frustrating is that the people who profited most from these compounds never pay for the damage they cause to generations.

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2. Eumene+u5[view] [source] 2023-09-30 15:43:09
>>dbingh+55
> And what's most frustrating is that the people who profited most from these compounds never pay for the damage they cause to generations.

It cost exactly $0 to not drink poison

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3. lm2846+57[view] [source] 2023-09-30 15:50:29
>>Eumene+u5
It cost 0 to not be obese

It cost 0 to not drink and drive

It cost 0 to ...

It's not a cost issue, it's a "we're slightly above average IQ monkeys, but we're still fucking monkeys" issue, we're easy to use and abuse, companies know that

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4. slibhb+j9[view] [source] 2023-09-30 16:02:58
>>lm2846+57
If we're monkeys then companies are monkeys too and they aren't responsible.

You're sneaking free will in the back door. In your view, "victims" don't have free will but big companies do.

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5. lm2846+ja[view] [source] 2023-09-30 16:09:32
>>slibhb+j9
Some monkeys are paid 15/hr flipping burgers, some other monkeys are paid 900k/year at facebook to study how to trick your brain into doomscrolling and clicking ads

Weirdly enough the money is available when it generates more money or to lobby against regulation...

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6. slibhb+Vd[view] [source] 2023-09-30 16:29:37
>>lm2846+ja
Your mentality (people are monkeys who can't make choices) is more responsible for people making bad choices than engineers at facebook. We can make choices to improve our lives! And the more convinced we are of that, the better choices we will make.
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7. lm2846+of[view] [source] 2023-09-30 16:38:05
>>slibhb+Vd
Or... we can do both ? I'm fit, eat clean, live frugally, yet I still see how these organisations are absolutely fucking the system by making people overeat, overspend, &c.

Do you think people wake up one day with the bright idea of becoming obese and dying at 45 of heart issues ?

You can only make decisions between the choices you're being provided, and if half of these choices are engineered to be addictive, on a global scale you're fighting a losing battle

> is more responsible for people making bad choices than engineers at facebook.

But... they're the same mentality, don't you see it ? It's been studied and developed by marketing people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioural_sciences

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_behaviour

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8. slibhb+MV[view] [source] 2023-09-30 20:59:37
>>lm2846+of
> Or... we can do both ? I'm fit, eat clean, live frugally, yet I still see how these organisations are absolutely fucking the system by making people overeat, overspend, &c.

That's good but have you considered that this is motivated reasoning? I.e. you think you have free will but all those shlubs making bad choices don't. This casts you as a hero with special insight into various oppressive "systems" to which you are apparently immune.

It would be better to judge people for their bad decisions. Although this strikes many people as cruel, judgment involves respecting other people's agency and creates a culture that encourages people to take responsibility for their lives and make better decisions. To put it another way, people don't intend to be obese...but they also don't believe they have a choice, and that's not good.

Finally, I think you seriously overrate the ability of behavioral sciences to do anything useful. What you're really pushing is the always-seductive idea that shadowy forces manipulate the masses through quasi-magical powers.

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