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1. stephe+705[view] [source] 2023-09-27 03:27:21
>>rossan+(OP)
Amazing that bit about child welfare organisations fighting against the science, when clearly taking children away based on false accusations is clearly far worse for the child’s welfare, not to mention the parents’!

It’s just incredible the injustice that can be done in the name of protecting children. I really do wonder if it’s cultural or some kind of innate psychological irrarionality that seems stronger in some than others. I love kids and care deeply about their welfare, but people sometimes try to make me feel bad or that I’m the weird one for being able to think (I believe) fairly rationally about the risks and dangers that they face, instead of massively over-exaggerating!

Or of course the opposite, keeping an appropriate eye on relations and acquaintances when people assume they’re totally safe but it’s actually somebody with that level of relation who’s likely to be a danger than a stranger.

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2. tivert+Ud5[view] [source] 2023-09-27 05:17:02
>>stephe+705
> Amazing that bit about child welfare organisations fighting against the science, when clearly taking children away based on false accusations is clearly far worse for the child’s welfare, not to mention the parents’!

This is just speculation, but I bet those groups (or their members) aren't always calmly and coolly trying to find the best policies protect the welfare of children. Instead they feel themselves on a kind of righteous moral crusade, and what's more heroic than swooping in to take the child away from the clutches of the villain? The feelings of heroism could obscure understanding the harm the "heroic act" could cause.

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3. jvande+cb7[view] [source] 2023-09-27 17:25:48
>>tivert+Ud5
This is true, but not for the reasons you might expect. Well, 10% of the time this is the case, but 90% ...

Mostly they are operating on priors. The prior probability of a separation being the right thing to do is very high, because they have a _long list of mitigation before they actually can take a kid away. In the case of a doctor-approved immediate physical danger, they are regulated into acting on behalf of the immediate safety of the child while the investigation is ongoing but even that is considered temporary.

The goal of any foster care situation is to get the kids back with the biological parents, so time is on their side, provided they are not living in a circumstance that disallows the kind of attendance and involvement that the state would require to clear a caseworker to re-unite the family. Sadly, many are.

Source: Foster parent.

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4. RoyalH+Qh8[view] [source] 2023-09-27 22:26:18
>>jvande+cb7
Priors should never, ever factor into it like this.

I was a foster child who was taken from my parents wrongly. A third party (not connected to child services) made a false accusation to the cops, who took me and turned me over to child services without any investigation. Even though I insisted nothing had happened and even though child services failed to produce any evidence (beyond aforesaid hearsay) over the course of their investigation, child services nonetheless fought extremely hard against letting me go home to my family.

In the end, a judge had to order them to return me to my family because they refused to accept that the accusation had been a lie.

In the meantime, I went through three different foster homes. I was a very difficult kid to foster (I cried and screamed a lot, demanding to go home) and so I unfortunately experienced abuse and neglect in two of the three homes. (My first foster home was particularly severe, which was strange because they were otherwise great parents to their biological kids. At least the other abusive home treated their real children equally poorly.)

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5. startu+h69[view] [source] 2023-09-28 04:55:36
>>RoyalH+Qh8
Have you considered suing the third party that made a false accusation? It seems that they’ve caused suffering and irreparable long term harm. This sounds like something that may have a standing. Perhaps you can sue them and either get some material compensation (if they are well to do) put them through a few rounds of trials in another state or something (if they are poor, this will be a good punishment in itself).

[Not a lawyer, this maybe a bad idea. But what you’re describing should have consequences for the party that had caused harm.]

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6. Shorel+1O9[view] [source] 2023-09-28 11:31:09
>>startu+h69
Why not?

But on the same note, I would also consider suing child services for failing to act according to their own principles and mainly for ignoring evidence.

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7. startu+kia[view] [source] 2023-09-28 14:20:31
>>Shorel+1O9
Yes, it seems that there’s nothing that opposes child services to protect parents and children from a zealous and righteous institution.

But we do have an example of another righteous institution misbehaving - churches are now paying back for years of children abuse (Catholic priests abusing children). I don’t see why cases like the one above that forcefully separating children can’t go the same way.

It doesn’t really matter that “most reports are good faith”. Most priests are also good faith…

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