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1. coucha+06[view] [source] 2023-09-08 11:49:48
>>c420+(OP)
Yet another disturbing revelation about the NYPD brought to light by the STOP project. They're doing great work fighting an uphill battle -- they also tried (unsuccessfully, unfortunately) to keep Mayor Adams's NYPD from flying surveillance drones among the crowds, and even into private backyards, at J'Ouvert this weekend. (He got the idea from his recent trip to visit Netanyahu, who does all sorts of crazy stuff like that regularly.
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2. Spooky+db[view] [source] 2023-09-08 12:28:52
>>coucha+06
This type of stuff is the predicted consequence of the increase in surveillance and intelligence functions with state and local police that escalated after 9/11.

You can’t give military style tools to poorly disciplined police forces without consequences. With the NSA or the Army, the problems are policy. With an org like NYPD, they don’t really have control of “the troops”, so who knows what’s happening.

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3. willci+Rm[view] [source] 2023-09-08 13:42:27
>>Spooky+db
In America we have a "policy" against search without probable cause that the NSA consistently violates. Policy doesn't keep them in line.
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4. hypeit+Uo[view] [source] 2023-09-08 13:52:59
>>willci+Rm
> Policy doesn't keep them in line.

This is correct. It's also the argument for ending qualified immunity and defunding the police.

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5. Spooky+em1[view] [source] 2023-09-08 18:08:14
>>hypeit+Uo
Defunding the police is a dumb slogan. Consolidating the police and professionalizing the police is a real answer. Also much harder.
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6. microm+Cp1[view] [source] 2023-09-08 18:25:26
>>Spooky+em1
It's dumb if you don't understand it. Most people take it as a knee-jerk literal "take all the money from the police."

In practice most of the common explanations I've seen mean "take a lot of the money from the police and give it to people more qualified to do things that police are filling in for" — so things like social work, for example.

This would also benefit the police, because they could focus on stopping and investigating actual crime.

A common example... if there's a homeless, mentally ill, or otherwise distressed person rambling on the sidewalk in front of your house for an hour... in the US many people would call the police. This is a terrible application of force and innocent people have been shot this way.

With properly staffed and funded social workers, someone could theoretically call them first, and then that person if needed could decide to escalate.

So really "defund the police" in a pithy slogan — "reduce funding to the police so it can be directed to more purpose-fit response teams" doesn't quite roll off the tongue the same way.

This same criticism is levied towards "black lives matter" — some take it as "only black lives matter" (often intentionally despite having it explained to them). So the response is "all lives matter" but the general intent is actually "black lives matter as well." Earlier "vote or die" was sometimes criticized in a warped way of "vote or we'll kill you"

There's this strange insistence that political slogans be perfect or all-encompassing, which seems rather disingenuous.

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