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1. specia+Ma[view] [source] 2023-09-06 11:25:45
>>andyjo+(OP)
Just perfect. So glad I read this. Thanks for sharing.

> In many ways the great quest of Doug Lenat’s life was an attempt to follow on directly from the work of Aristotle and Leibniz.

Such a wonderful, respectful retrospective of Lenat's ideas and work.

> I think Doug viewed CYC as some kind of formalized idealization of how he imagined human minds work: providing a framework into which a large collection of (fairly undifferentiated) knowledge about the world could be “poured”. At some level it was a very “pure AI” concept: set up a generic brain-like thing, then “it’ll just do the rest”. But Doug still felt that the thing had to operate according to logic, and that what was fed into it also had to consist of knowledge packaged up in the form of logic.

I've always wanted CYC, or something like it, to be correct. Like somehow it'd fulfill my need for the universe to be knowable, legible. If human reason & logic could be encoded, then maybe things could start to make sense, if only we try hard enough.

Alas.

Back when SemanticWeb was the hotness, I was a firm ontology partisan. After working on customer's use cases, and given enough time to work thru the stages of grief, I grudgingly accepted the folksonomy worldview is probably true.

Since then, of course, the "fuzzy" strategies have prevailed. (Also, most of us have accepted humans aren't rational.)

To this day, statistics based approaches make me uncomfortable, perhaps even anxious. My pragmatism motivated holistic worldview is always running up against my reductionist impulses. Paradox in a nutshell.

Enough about me.

> Doug’s starting points were AI and logic, mine were ... computation writ large.

I do appreciate Wolfram placing their respective theories in the pantheon. It's a nice reminder of their lineages. So great.

I agree with Wolfram that encoding heuristics was an experiment that had to be done. Negative results are super important. I'm so, so glad Lenat (and crews) tried so hard.

And I hope the future holds some kind of synthesis of these strategies.

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2. at_a_r+n71[view] [source] 2023-09-06 16:13:56
>>specia+Ma
I really do believe (believe, rather than know) that some sort of synthesis is necessary, that there's some base facts and common sense that would make AI, as it stands, more reliable and trustworthy if had some kind of touchstone, rather than the slipshod "human hands come with thumbs and fingers" output we have now. Something that can look back and say, "Typically, there's just one thumb and there's four fingers. Sometimes not, but that is rare."
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3. astran+Kz3[view] [source] 2023-09-07 09:44:48
>>at_a_r+n71
You can solve that one with ControlNet already.
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