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1. berbec+Vp[view] [source] 2023-08-07 18:44:42
>>chrono+(OP)
This is a nice statement, but the TOS is the important part, not what this marketing piece says.

> You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights required or necessary to redistribute, publish, import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use, display, copy, distribute, translate, transcribe, create derivative works, and process Customer Content and to perform all acts with respect to the Customer Content.

> (ii) for the purpose of product and service development, marketing, analytics, quality assurance, machine learning, artificial intelligence, training, testing, improvement of the Services, Software, or Zoom’s other products, services, and software, or any combination thereof

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2. Imnimo+LZ[view] [source] 2023-08-07 21:14:08
>>berbec+Vp
Yeah, if the TOS says one thing, and a blogpost pinky-promises another, only one of those two actually counts as far as I'm concerned.
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3. halduj+1C1[view] [source] 2023-08-08 01:39:06
>>Imnimo+LZ
Speaking of pinky promises:

> We will not use ... protected health information, to train our artificial intelligence models without your consent.

> We routinely enter into ... legally required business associate agreements (BAA) with our healthcare customers. Our practices and handling of ... protected healthcare data are controlled by these separate terms and applicable laws.

To my understanding there is nothing in the separate terms (BAA) or applicable laws (HIPAA) that actually guarantees this.

I don't want to assume malice but if in good faith I would have expected an updated BAA with an explicit declaration regarding data access and disclosure in a legally-binding fashion rather than a promissory blogpost vaguely referencing laws that don't themselves inherently restrict the use of PHI for training by Zoom.

It would really only require a single term.

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4. petese+HV1[view] [source] 2023-08-08 04:48:09
>>halduj+1C1
They have added:

> Notwithstanding the above, Zoom will not use audio, video or chat Customer Content to train our artificial intelligence models without your consent.

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5. halduj+4Z1[view] [source] 2023-08-08 05:22:34
>>petese+HV1
The BAA (https://explore.zoom.us/docs/en-us/baa.html) looks the same. Did you mean to the TOS (which is subject to change as has now happened twice)?

The BAA still states: Zoom shall not Use and/or Disclose the Protected Health Information except as otherwise limited in this Agreement ... for the proper management and administration of Zoom ... Zoom will only use the minimum necessary Protected Health information necessary for the proper management and administration of Zoom’s business specific purposes

As discussed in my comments on yesterday's post "proper management and administration" is vague language copied from HHS and can be construed as improving products as described in a legal analysis I quoted. I would also hazard a guess that a provider signing this agreement could be construed to have implied consent.

Nevertheless, it would not be hard to explicitly state that this does not include training models in the only truly legally binding agreement at play. An explicit declaration was also recommended in said legal analysis.

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6. robert+A62[view] [source] 2023-08-08 06:36:32
>>halduj+4Z1
For me, that BAA doc flashes up and immediately redirects me to the homepage.
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