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1. _ddzr+6c[view] [source] 2023-08-06 13:51:36
>>isodev+(OP)
Thankfully nothing like this is in Jitsi Meet’s TOS: https://jitsi.org/meet-jit-si-terms-of-service/

It never ceases to amaze me how companies choose the worst software!

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2. jonas2+Wt[view] [source] 2023-08-06 15:32:18
>>_ddzr+6c
Section 4 of the Jitsi Meet ToS grants them similar rights. It's just with mushier language.

> You give 8×8 (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works..., communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display, and distribute such content solely for the limited purpose of operating and enabling the Service to work as intended for You and for no other purposes.

IANAL, but it seems like that would include training on your data as long as the model was used as part of their service.

Everyone who operates a video conferencing service will have some sort of clause like this in their ToS. Zoom is being more explicit, which is generally a good thing. If Jitsi wanted to be equally explicit, they could add something clarifying that this does not include training AI models.

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3. gnicho+QM[view] [source] 2023-08-06 17:10:40
>>jonas2+Wt
> solely for the limited purpose of operating and enabling the Service to work as intended for You and for no other purposes.

To me (a former corporate lawyer) the "for You" qualifier would limit their ability to use content to train an AI for use by anyone other than "You". Is there an argument? Yes. But by that argument, they would also be allowed to "publicly perform" my videoconf calls for some flimsy reasons that don't directly benefit me.

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4. crftr+XL1[view] [source] 2023-08-06 23:17:58
>>gnicho+QM
"You" is a defined term in Jitsi's Terms of Service.

>...any legal entity or business, such entity or business (collectively, “You” or “Your”)

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5. gnicho+sR1[view] [source] 2023-08-07 00:05:25
>>crftr+XL1
In case this is meant to imply that perhaps my business and your business are both part of the same "You", they are not. They are each a party to a separate contract with Jitsi; we are not all party to one huge contract with each other (which would hypothetically allow Jitsi to do anything with our content for the purpose of helping them serve all of us).
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