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1. lapcat+a21[view] [source] 2023-07-29 01:42:25
>>capabl+(OP)
I feel, as someone who has observed and participated in HN for years, that the moderation doesn't do much good. I mean, I'm sure that HN would be worse if there was no moderation, but there's simply not enough moderation to go around. One or two people can't handle the sheer volume of, well, shit on here. There's a lot of shit. The HN guidelines are violated multiple times in practically every comment thread.

I find myself becoming my worst self on here, whether I want to or not, in reaction to others being their worst selves too. It's difficult to rise above the fray. Dang must have infinite patience, but I don't, and most people don't seem to either. Dang sets an example that few are willing to follow. I also feel that he gives people way too much lenience. It's like, "I see you've violated the guidelines badly multiple times lately. That's not cool. If you don't stop, then I might have to ban you, someday in the future, or maybe not. I'll give you one... hundred more chances." I'm exaggerating here, but only slightly. ;-)

I know that some commenters think that HN is great place for intelligent, friendly discussion. I personally don't understand that. It's like we live in different worlds. But I'm certainly not alone in seeing HN as "toxic", something mentioned in the linked article, as well as by people I know elsewhere. I come here for the topics, which are often very interesting to me, yet all too often I come away from HN regretting my participation. Maybe this is just a bad habit that needs breaking. :-)

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2. Infini+031[view] [source] 2023-07-29 01:49:29
>>lapcat+a21
Reaching to just this part

> I find myself becoming my worst self on here, whether I want to or not, in reaction to others being their worst selves too. It's difficult to rise above the fray.

You always have a choice. If you display your worst self on here, you choose to do so. You can opt not to engage with comments that are a negative to the community.

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3. lapcat+c41[view] [source] 2023-07-29 01:59:24
>>Infini+031
> You always have a choice. If you display your worst self on here, you choose to do so. You can opt not to engage with comments that are a negative to the community.

Sigh. I would respectfully ask you to perform some self-reflection about this very reply of yours. I was admitting to a common, natural, human fallibility, and you chose to reply in a way that seemed blameful and condescending.

"You always have a choice" is a cliché here in the HN comments. It's not an interesting response.

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4. soulof+vc1[view] [source] 2023-07-29 03:20:55
>>lapcat+c41
To be fair, if you thought the parent's response was negative or not up to community standards, you could indeed have just ignored it. You can do the same for this comment. It's a great habit to develop.
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5. dredmo+QH1[view] [source] 2023-07-29 09:37:19
>>soulof+vc1
Insisting on a last word, or antagonising the already antagonised, tends to go poorly.

Even when meant well, how such responses are read is often far harsher than how they are written.

Increasingly I'll restrain myself to a simple acknowledgement or thanks. Occasionally an apology if there seems to be offense.

(Both on HN and other sites / platforms.)

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6. lapcat+8Y1[view] [source] 2023-07-29 12:14:04
>>dredmo+QH1
> antagonising the already antagonised

Yes, this thread painfully exhibits why I said, "all too often I come away from HN regretting my participation."

Neither Infinitesimus nor soulofmischief seemed to consider applying the principle "You can opt not to engage" to their own choices and replies, and I feel that the latter's reply was even worse, because it came after I already suggested self-reflection to the former.

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7. soulof+x53[view] [source] 2023-07-29 19:43:00
>>lapcat+8Y1
> Neither Infinitesimus nor soulofmischief seemed to consider applying the principle "You can opt not to engage" to their own choices and replies

The key difference is that I don't have a problem engaging, whereas you stated you have a problem engaging, and so I offered a second opinion.

It sounds like you didn't want people to engage your comment at all. I frequently opt not to engage when I feel like it, but I'm not restricted to only engaging with comments of which you approve. If you don't want replies, the best option might be just not to post.

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