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1. methou+6v[view] [source] 2023-07-27 06:38:38
>>anigbr+(OP)
I was always hoping that given the fact that japanese population is dropping, they will want more foreigners in this Country. Yesterday marks my first anniversary in Japan. I love this Country and very keen to stay for naturalization based on my past experience with another non-free Country. People who has longer experience please correct me if I'm saying something stupid, what Japan stands out to me are:

* Overall it's a very affordable place and people are friendly by default.

* It is a free world Country if you care about freedom

* People take privacy seriously as parts of their daily matters, minimal data share. (unsure about the lucrative advertising business, please enligh)

* Comfortable level of tech, you can say it's low tech, but they got all the details right, and experience is great. (No aggresive behavior analysis, rare ily seen QR code for menu/ordering)

And some realities to offset the love: (Ordered low to high on impact, by personal feelings)

* Unfair compensations, a large majority of companies pays their employees in a Nenko System, basically your salary increments by the x years of service inside the company

* HIGH welfare tax, Nenkin will take away around 10% of your PRETAX income.

* Language, I love this Country and I would like to learn their culture and their language

* Etiquette, the Japanese way of daily routinal interactions are very much formulated, you can take vantage of that when you are fresh off boat and trying to do basic things like shopping and lodging. But say if your goal is to integrate into their society, it's going to be a long painful journey for the talented. I got a few friends spent better half of their lives in Japan who just gave up on becoming Japanese. One of which quitted so well that he occasionally violates social norms.

Bottom line: you will need a strong incentive to stay in Japan and start/move your family here, and your first experiences won't be good. So why would foreigners stay if it's next to impossible to become local. If you are doing well enough in the Country you are already within, then you definitely would miss it and go back.

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2. isykt+bA[view] [source] 2023-07-27 07:23:00
>>methou+6v
Japan is a totalitarian state, with the enforcement run by individuals. If you violate social norms, including not looking or sounding Japanese enough, you will be excluded.

You could become naturalized there, but you will never be Japanese, and you will never be treated as an equal.

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3. coldte+vC[view] [source] 2023-07-27 07:42:32
>>isykt+bA
And why should you? Is there some automatic right that one should have about being accepted into a foreign country and culture?
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4. zpeti+VD[view] [source] 2023-07-27 07:51:55
>>coldte+vC
Yes, that’s basically what the religion of the left believes.

No one should value their own culture and history, every culture should be open to being destroyed.

Except Islam for some reason. They get to keep their culture, otherwise you are an islamophobe.

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5. isykt+tE[view] [source] 2023-07-27 07:57:45
>>zpeti+VD
Culture is merely people and ideas. Good ideas should be preserved and remixed. Bad ideas should be relegated to the dustbin of history.

Promoting bullying and exclusion —- part and parcel to indigenous Japanese society — is a bad idea that should be relegated.

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6. coldte+HI[view] [source] 2023-07-27 08:35:34
>>isykt+tE
It's their country. You don't get to feel "bullied" for them not wanting foreigners there.

Would you feel "bullied" if an Amazon native population wants to keep their ways, and doesn't welcome you or anybody else coming over and wanting to join them?

Are people you don't know demanding to stay at your house "bullied" and "excluded" when you don't just let them in?

What if they're "good people"? Should they just get a room then? What if you have a couple of extra rooms you don't use?

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7. claudi+UM[view] [source] 2023-07-27 09:08:12
>>coldte+HI
>It's their country. You don't get to feel "bullied" for them not wanting foreigners there.

Why shouldn't I? You don't get to dictate how I "get" to feel. The very idea of racism and xenophobia is fundamentally offensive to me. As with the Amazon native population, I would not approve if they didn't let me in by virtue of some immutable attribute of mine such as my appearance.

So long as you make an effort to learn someone's culture, I don't think there's any justifictaion to exclude someone on the basis of the brute facts of their body or upbringing. Actions ought to matter far more.

I'm not aware of any moral theory that has been justified in academia or elsewhere which prescribes that such discrimination is permissible. This also is evidenced by the fact that many Japanese people claim to abhor racism while simultaneously practicing it against sections of their own population and other populations.

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8. zpeti+8Y[view] [source] 2023-07-27 10:38:03
>>claudi+UM
Maybe you should ask the Native American tribes who died of smallpox what “scientific” basis there is for being afraid of foreigners?

I know you are going to say that’s not the case in the modern world, but you need to at least understand there are very concrete reasons why xenophobia evolved, and why it’s a natural reaction. Some might not be relevant in the modern world, but I’d argue there’s a lot of complexity that we might not understand.

For example, there are some extremely intolerant immigrants to Europe right now, 100% of whom in London polled as wanting homosexuality criminalised.

Should everyone be 100% accepting of this because they are foreigners? Is xenophobia justified in this case in your opinion?

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9. isykt+v11[view] [source] 2023-07-27 11:03:56
>>zpeti+8Y
Xenophobia is a fear or distrust of foreigners. You can accept, and work to integrate, foreigners into your society while rejecting bad ideas. That’s the basis of modern multicultural democracies.
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