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1. Daril+jL[view] [source] 2023-07-26 14:16:00
>>ColinW+(OP)
This is a clear sign of Google's weakness. They are losing their monopoly and are desperately trying to hold on to the net. In the last few weeks, they have announced that they will try to block navigation if you have an ad blocker installed (for example, when watching a video on Youtube). Take a look at Fuchsia for another example ... they are losing the control on Android, so they started this new project ... it is another sign. My recipe: AdGuard Home, Brave browser (phone, tablet, desktop), Bromite (phone), Firefox (desktop) + uBlock origin plugin ... and FreeTube on desktop. Just using Brave on the phone is enough to kill all ads and trackers. In the open source community, there will always be someone smarter than they think who will find a way around their gates... Few days ago Kevin Mitnick passed away, sadly, but there will be always another Kevin Mitnick ... Google will lose all respect from the community and will collapse sooner or later.
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2. xNeil+aV[view] [source] 2023-07-26 14:53:58
>>Daril+jL
>Google will lose all respect from the community and will collapse sooner or later.

I love this little bubble all of HN (or at least a vocal majority) seems to live in. Google is most definitely not collapsing anytime soon, and their products are loved by millions, if not billions, of users all over the world.

>They are losing their monopoly

No, they most definitely aren't. Brave Browser runs on top of Google's Chromium. Firefox runs on top of Google's money. Their lead in search does not seem to be going away anytime soon - there is a reason literally everyone on earth uses Google as a search engine. There is a reason literally everyone on earth uses YouTube to watch any video they want. There is a reason 70% of all phone users use Google's operating system. There is a reason Gmail is by far and away the clear leader in the personal email space.

>They have announced that they will try to block navigation if you have an ad blocker installed (for example when watching a video on YouTube).

As they rightly can. You are under no obligation to use YouTube - and if you do use it, you must pay for it, either by watching ads, or by paying for YouTube Premium.

HN can keep complaining about Google all they want, but Google is one of the few companies that has truly made the Internet the Internet. Their impact on humanity has a whole has so far most definitely been net positive, and you are under no obligation whatsoever to use their products. There is a reason they are the clear leader in the products they offer, and that is because they offer, say, a free tier (as in Gmail), or openness (as in Android).

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3. urda+KX[view] [source] 2023-07-26 15:03:20
>>xNeil+aV
"the rotten tree-trunk, until the very moment when the storm-blast breaks it in two, has all the appearance of might it ever had." - Isaac Asimov, Foundation
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4. xNeil+611[view] [source] 2023-07-26 15:14:07
>>urda+KX
While that's a very nice saying, and I appreciate you applying in this context, what you're basically saying is we can never ever assess any organization as strong whatsoever, since every organization that breaks up seems strong at some point.
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5. urda+j21[view] [source] 2023-07-26 15:17:46
>>xNeil+611
That's not what was said at all in context, and I do not appreciate you putting words in my valid comment. You dismissed the original argument with your own personal truths.
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6. xNeil+8z2[view] [source] 2023-07-26 21:06:31
>>urda+j21
I guess I can see why you feel that way - you intended to say a company that seems strong may be at risk of failing just like any other company (in this case, just because Google seems large does not mean they are not failing) - which is something I (sort of) agree with!

But doesn't it logically follow that the same truth holds for any other 'strong' company, thereby rendering our perception of it (or any other company) worthless? I'm sorry you're disappointed, but I just made a logical continuation, that's all.

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