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1. c0l0+h3[view] [source] 2023-07-26 12:27:24
>>topshe+(OP)
I feel like I have to repeat this, since so much is at stake here, where it is about the preservation of the web as we know it today, at the peril of having it turned into yet another walled garden:

The only way around the dystopia this will lead to is to constantly and relentlessly shame and even harass all those involved in helping create it. The scolding in the issue tracker of that wretched "project" shall flow like a river, until the spirit of those pursuing it breaks, and the effort is disbanded.

And once the corporate hydra has regrown its head, repeat. Hopefully, enough practise makes those fighting the dystopia effective enough to one day topple over sponsoring and enabling organisations as a whole, instead of only their little initiatives leading down that path.

Not a pretty thing, but necessary.

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2. nfw2+zf[view] [source] 2023-07-26 13:24:12
>>c0l0+h3
Tiktok is literally controlled by the CCP. If consumers don't care about that, they aren't going to care about DRM.
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3. anonym+2p[view] [source] 2023-07-26 14:01:12
>>nfw2+zf
Tech-literate folks really should make a concerted effort to move to our own darknet, something like freenet or I2P, to recreate the internet before the advent of mass adoption of smartphones by the public. Forums, IRC, vent/TS, webrings, XHTML 1.0. No WebGL. No Canvas. No WebAssembly. No damn WEI.

Normies can f&$% off and enjoy the data-mined, DRM'd, ad-infested, CCP-propagandized, upload-your-photo-ID-to-post-here, privacy-free dump their illiteracy, careless disregard for harm, and data exhibitionism fetish has allowed the clearnet to turn into.

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4. MSFT_E+Rq[view] [source] 2023-07-26 14:07:17
>>anonym+2p
While I like this idea, starting from the foot of "CCP-propagandized" based on the tiktok service hosted by Oracle in the US is an amazing way to start off on a Nazi infested foot.

Anti-communism and fascism are historically in lock-step. No one is going to use the services if you basically create web4 stormfront.

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5. Pawger+sW[view] [source] 2023-07-26 15:59:04
>>MSFT_E+Rq
There was nothing in his comment that alluded to anti-communism sentiment. In my opinion, the parent comment was categorically anti-fascist. Current day CCP conforms to the definition of fascism far more than the definition of communism.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on how they were being anti-communist or fascist in your eyes.

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6. MSFT_E+CD1[view] [source] 2023-07-26 18:31:05
>>Pawger+sW
It's easy in theory to say "oh anti-ccp isn't anti-communist", but in practice, do people actually understand the difference?

Consider the phrase "tankie", what was once a term used by communists to describe a militaristic member who supported the USSR sending tanks into Hungary, has become a general phrase for anyone showing critical support to any socialist project.

Socialists are essentially told they are not allowed to support any previously or currently existing project because bad things were done, are told they're doing whataboutism if they compare the actions to western actions, and are called a tankie if they decide to stop caring about what liberals and right wing people say.

China IS a socialist project, are they strictly a socialist country? No. Did they perform the most thorough and equitable land reforms in the history of Humanity? Yes. Do they wield central power for central planning economic activities? Sometimes. Are they operating on a 100% worker ownership of industry? no, but they have a non-insignificant public ownership of industry, co-opting privately owned industry to steer activities with greater control and hold certain business leaders accountable.

I'm sorry to say, but "current day CCP conforms to the definition of fascism" just isn't correct and goes to prove the point that the meaning of words is mostly ignored. Fascism != Authoritarianism. There was a massive effort post WWII through the cold war to create anti-communist propaganda that simply wasn't true. You had actual ex members of the Nazi party leading anti-communist endeavors. The black book of communism counts Nazis as deaths from communism. The Victims of Communism memorial foundation is literally a mask on far-right thinktanks such as the heritage foundation.

That being said, the West is grossly lied to about China day to day. It is in various interests to have an enemy. To the point where one man can write a report identifying a "future cultural genocide" which was simply a reduction in growth of a population due to 1 and 2 child laws being imposed on a group that was exempt prior, as an actual, in-progress genocide. If you point this out, people call you a genocide denier.

That same man is a director of China Studies, at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation.

I apologize for this long winded rant, but yes, if you found an internet presence on being "anti-ccp", you're starting off on a literal fascist foot. The community will deride any left leaning voice, call any voice that says "hey china did a good thing here", as a "tankie", and it will become an echo chamber for right-wing hate speech.

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