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1. troupo+ft[view] [source] 2023-07-26 13:04:10
>>ColinW+(OP)
The link to Yoav Weiss's blog is great.

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So, you don't like a web platform proposal

...you may feel that your insights and experience can be valuable to help steer the platform from making what you're sure is a huge mistake. That's great!! Getting involved in web platform discussions is essential to ensure it's built for and by everyone.

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In cases where controversial browser proposals (or lack of adoption for features folks want, which is a related, but different, subject), it's not uncommon to see issues with dozens or even hundreds of comments from presumably well-intentioned folks, trying to influence the team working on the feature to change their minds.

In the many years I've been working on the web platform, I've yet to see this work. Not even once.

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"We do so love for everyone to join the discussion. It also never influences our decisions, not once"

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2. ajross+4w[view] [source] 2023-07-26 13:16:36
>>troupo+ft
Clearly the implication is that rushing to join a professional discussion just to yell about some or another controversial proposal you read about on HN is not going to work to sway the stakeholders. If you want influence, you need to cultivate it over time by building trust in the community you want to influence. That's hardly controversial.

In particular, taking a fairly dry proposal like WEI, which is intended as a anti-bot/anti-cheat framework for web content, and spinning it with a shitpost title like "Google vs. the Open Web" is really not going to ingratiate you with the people who think hard about very difficult problems every day.

Is it a good proposal? Honestly I don't know. But the problems it's trying to address are real, so I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the people trying to solve them in good faith over the shitposters.

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3. lambic+HT[view] [source] 2023-07-26 14:48:38
>>ajross+4w
Your definition of shitposting is... odd.
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4. ajross+JM1[view] [source] 2023-07-26 17:58:02
>>lambic+HT
Characterizing a fairly reasonable position like "we should have a way prevent bots at the client level" as an attack on "The Open Web" is pretty much the definition of a shitpost, no? It's a terrible strawman and it pollutes the discourse.

Do you really not agree that people might want the former and not the latter? You genuinely think that the standards folks are being driven by a conspiracy and not what they say they want?

There are ways to argue against WEI that don't involve the existence of enemies you have to fight. Maybe you could try them?

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