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>>danShu+(OP)
Expected, but meaningless if we can't drive people towards Firefox and away from Chromium products. That's something of a responsibility we all have, especially those of us invested in the safety and security (collectively, trust) of the web.

I haven't seen anything yet on whether Brave will support it, though if I'm understanding correctly, they won't have a choice since they're using Chromium. Hopefully I'm misinformed.

>>eganis+s8
Judging by all the hate Mozilla gets around here, it would be nice to at least see some credit given where it is due.

Ultimately I think we must permanently return to browser ballots back by the law, like the IE bundling fallout. Otherwise friction and incentives will continue to entrench one dominant player.

>>paulry+N8
Mozilla gets hate because they say they're fighting for the user and then fail to live up to that standard. People expect Google to try and screw over users, so when it happens nobody is disappointed. I do agree that this results in oddly skewed reactions, but the emotional side makes sense.

>>yjftsj+2k
When a shirt is dirty, one stain doesn't stand out much.

When a shirt is white and clean, the smallest stain stands out.

Mozilla is one of the rare companies with a mostly white clean shirt.

It is been judged harshly, while we should rejoice that they have been doing amazing things for 20 years despite the competition being terrible people playing dirty.

If we keep doing this, they will be no more Mozilla in the world. Who wants to be the good guys if you are held up against impossible standards when your competitors are paid handsomely to destroy the world?

I know some groups that target perfect ethics: they do nothing, because it's impossible to do anything without screwing up sometimes.

>>BiteCo+bA
> Mozilla is one of the rare companies with a mostly white clean shirt.

No. Not even close.

> while we should rejoice that they have been doing amazing things for 20 years despite the competition being terrible people playing dirty.

I reject the "other"-ness in this comment. I was a Mozillian. I was helping do those things. The notion that I should heap accolades upon a bunch of folks who are only now affiliated with Mozilla and who were not contributing during the era in which Mozilla was doing the great things actually deserving of the goodwill associated with its name? And who have themselves been positively poor torchbearers for that name? Condescending.

2023 is the project's 25th birthday. It did amazing things for about 15 of them—by which I mean the people who made up the project. "Mozilla" is merely a legal fiction.

>>cxr+v91
So? Is using Chrome better? What is your recommendation?

>>maigre+ae1
Please don't change the subject like this. It's annoying.

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There's no reason your question couldn't have been posted in a relevant (sub)thread, instead of here, where it's (i) not on topic for the current subject, but (ii) looks like it could be, and therefore (iii) has the same effect as moving the goalposts.

>>cxr+Xg1
They did shift the goalposts, but I do wonder what browser you'd recommend (and I won't make a bad faith assumption that its chrome like they did). Brave?

>>Pawger+jl1
The browser with a built-in crypto wallet? No thanks.

I stick to Safari and Firefox. They're not perfect but they're the only modern browsers that don't use Blink, which is what gives Google the power to make moves like this.

>>jakela+mp1
I run firefox with ublock origin, some tampermonkey scripts, and decentraleyes.

So many people recommend it, but I've been iffy on using brave. Thanks for giving me a little insight on your choices and reasoning behind it.