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1. michae+p6[view] [source] 2023-07-26 07:07:39
>>Simon_+(OP)
The whole world is going this way: Japan is just an early adopter. It’ll be good for the planet to have fewer people: our challenge is to run a flourishing society that isn’t based on continual growth.
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2. somedu+r8[view] [source] 2023-07-26 07:26:25
>>michae+p6
> a flourishing society that isn’t based on continual growth.

How will a society without growth be flourishing?

A lot of people make the mistake of thinking that economic growth requires an increase in natural resource use, pollution and waste, when a lot of economic growth in recent decades has come from increased efficiency and services that have not led to more natural resource extraction.

The idea of humanity without a desire for progress and growth is romanticized by environmentalists and parts of an "intellectual elite", when in reality it will lead to a complete collapse of society and standards of living.

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3. zpeti+D9[view] [source] 2023-07-26 07:38:46
>>somedu+r8
Funny how you are getting downvoted, people really misunderstand WHAT economic growth is...

I like the coca cola aluminium can example - if coca cola can reduce the aluminium used in it's cans, that means less natural resources used. But it also means more profit for them, as a better design means less material but they can sell it for the same amount.

This actually translates into better productivity and economic growth. Multiply this by a million, and you get economic growth from a more efficient economy.

Economic growth != more natural resources used. It means more wealth for humans, which is a complex thing. it can both mean more natural resources used, or it can mean more efficient usage of existing materials.

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