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>>jakobd+(OP)
Are you using Chrome now? Hate to say it, you are part of the problem. Switch to anything else.

I'm not a super anti-Google person. I use Gmail and Google as my search engine. But Firefox is a good browser that I use as my daily driver, and Edge, Brave, Safari and the DDG browser are other options.

Switch today and start taking away Google's leverage.

>>nl+Jo
Edge and Brave are based on Chromium. While Brave would likely block this API for a while (until too many sites require it and it would hurt their market share) they don't block most changes that Google pushes into Chrome so are still largely contributing to Google's power over the Internet.

So if you really want to disrupt Google's control over the web platform the only options are really Firefox and Safari.

>>kevinc+6q
Safari has far more weight here though people are loathe to admit it. Apple's market share is a direct check on Google's ability to push things through so easily.

Firefox unfortunately does not have the numbers on their side nor will they seemingly risk their Google payout deal. At this point, if you're using it, you're doing it because it has specific features or extensions you want, or you believe that it's ethically the right choice and you're comfortable with the trade-offs.

(I love Firefox, I just think we need to be realistic here)

Edit: I will actually note, in thinking after posting this comment, that it wouldn't surprise me if Apple was actually down for this proposal. Sigh.

>>Klonoa+jA
> Safari has far more weight here though people are loathe to admit it.

On HN people are more likely to complain about Safari existing and demand Chrome everywhere.

>>rodger+uN
Is thst still the case? I've actually noticed much less Safari bashing over the last year or two, around the time the team seemed to really focus on shipping new specs and features again.

The main complaints I still see are related to the (likely illegal) lack of support for third party browsers, and missing web APIs for things like push notifications. Those are still valid complaints today though, for anyone who cares about them.