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>>danShu+(OP)
Expected, but meaningless if we can't drive people towards Firefox and away from Chromium products. That's something of a responsibility we all have, especially those of us invested in the safety and security (collectively, trust) of the web.

I haven't seen anything yet on whether Brave will support it, though if I'm understanding correctly, they won't have a choice since they're using Chromium. Hopefully I'm misinformed.

>>eganis+s8
Judging by all the hate Mozilla gets around here, it would be nice to at least see some credit given where it is due.

Ultimately I think we must permanently return to browser ballots back by the law, like the IE bundling fallout. Otherwise friction and incentives will continue to entrench one dominant player.

>>paulry+N8
Mozilla gets hate because they say they're fighting for the user and then fail to live up to that standard. People expect Google to try and screw over users, so when it happens nobody is disappointed. I do agree that this results in oddly skewed reactions, but the emotional side makes sense.

>>yjftsj+2k
When a shirt is dirty, one stain doesn't stand out much.

When a shirt is white and clean, the smallest stain stands out.

Mozilla is one of the rare companies with a mostly white clean shirt.

It is been judged harshly, while we should rejoice that they have been doing amazing things for 20 years despite the competition being terrible people playing dirty.

If we keep doing this, they will be no more Mozilla in the world. Who wants to be the good guys if you are held up against impossible standards when your competitors are paid handsomely to destroy the world?

I know some groups that target perfect ethics: they do nothing, because it's impossible to do anything without screwing up sometimes.

>>BiteCo+bA
I disagree. The shirt isn't white anymore but turning beige. Precisely because people let a lot of Mozilla's shit slide just because "there aren't any better alternatives".

We're not holding Mozilla to higher standards than Google - we just have already discarded Google as an option.

Not collecting telemetry that many users have explicitly stated they do not want and even turned off at every opportunity is not a particularly high standard. Not wanting advertisements integrated into the web browser is not a particularly high standard. Criticizing that the CEO salary has been increasing to absurd levels while the browser has been declining and regular engineers are facing is not holding them to a particlarly high standard. Not wanting the last remaining competitive free web browser run as a commercial project rather than a non-profit foundation is not a high standard. Mozilla chooses to be shittier and shittier. Inaction would be better.

>>accoun+aV
Spectrum of goodness:

    [M. theresa...VLC foundation....Mozilla.......You.......................Microsoft.......................................Nazis]                                                                       

I think your comment only shows how spoiled we are by open source.