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1. getmei+F5[view] [source] 2023-07-23 22:02:52
>>pessim+(OP)
This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.
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2. mmanfr+A8[view] [source] 2023-07-23 22:22:09
>>getmei+F5
Affirmative action was to address systemic inequalities, not individual ones. Bringing it up in an article about foster kids and then further including the bit about gender feels like flamebait.
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3. lockho+S8[view] [source] 2023-07-23 22:23:57
>>mmanfr+A8
Ironically affirmative action is systemic racism itself, no matter how well intentioned.
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4. Pierce+na[view] [source] 2023-07-23 22:32:45
>>lockho+S8
True, but many forms of discrimination are legal and good. Minimum age to drive is ageism, but I think we would all agree that it’s a good form of discrimination. You say “no matter how well intentioned” as if the intention isn’t important. But intention and outcome are both very important and determine whether a given form of discrimination is good or bad.
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5. lockho+5i[view] [source] 2023-07-23 23:28:22
>>Pierce+na
Harvard and other Ivy League universities got caught discriminating against Asians in their admissions. How do you justify that as a good thing?
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6. johnny+Fl[view] [source] 2023-07-23 23:54:21
>>lockho+5i
Asians are over-represented in Harvard (note: I do no know if this is actually true) and the kinds of students rejected from Harvard but who'd get in anyway aren't exactly the kinds of students who'd fall out of society.

I recognize the racism, but I also see the point of justification there. There is some distinct difference in discrimination at the top and discrmination at the bottom of the societal rungs.

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7. lockho+rm[view] [source] 2023-07-24 00:02:55
>>johnny+Fl
I don't see where it could possibly be justifiable to discriminate against Asians. Where is the systemic racism that somehow gives Asians an advantage?

It's almost as if they are being punished for ruining the narrative through their own hard work, which would force people to admit that other minorities being underrepresented at Ivy League colleges is due to something other than just "systemic racism".

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8. johnny+Pn[view] [source] 2023-07-24 00:17:50
>>lockho+rm
>I don't see where it could possibly be justifiable to discriminate against Asians

I just did. You don't have to accept that justification, but I don't imagine it's an uncommon sentiment. There's a difference between not getting into Harvard but pretty still having a dozen top universities of choice and barely even getting out of high school because your area's education was under-funded due to historical factors.

I don't know the historical factors that lead to Asian-Americans being so successful in comparison to other minorities, but it's clear they need less help as a whole compared to other minorities. There's your justification.

>It's almost as if they are being punished for ruining the narrative through their own hard work

You can interpret it that way. You can also say that the AA is starting to focus more on those who need it, and Asians seem to need it the least as of now.

>force people to admit that other minorities being underrepresented at Ivy League colleges is due to something other than just "systemic racism".

So what are you suggesting? Again, my Asian american history is very superficial, but I think it's hard to deny that it's a shorter history than African or Mexican American history in this context.

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