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>>rand0m+(OP)
> Fair use is a doctrine in the law of the United States that allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders. It provides for the legal, non-licensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author's work under a four-factor balancing test:

> 1) The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes

> 2) The nature of the copyrighted work

> 3) The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole

> 4) The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work

[emphasis from TFA]

HN always talks about derivative work and transformativeness, but never about these. The fourth one especially seems clear in its implications for models.

Regardless, it makes it seem much less clear cut than people here often say.

>>6gvONx+qs
Microsoft is gambling on the hope that model training will be ruled fair use. This makes it seem that outcome is unlikely.

>>flango+at
Do you think a human learning something from reading is fair use? Or are we all copyright violators because reading that article altered our connectomes, and we may recall parts of it later?

>>brooks+wu
The point being raised is quite specific. Not sure if you’re willingly ignoring it or what?

The answer is no, because you reading the article didn’t dramatically degrade its market value.

An AI ingesting all content on the internet and then being ultra-effective at frontrunning that content for a large number of future readers does degrade its market value (and subsumes it into the model’s value).

>>ethanb+rv
> The answer is no, because you reading the article didn’t dramatically degrade its market value.

How about if you read a news article to write a competing one rewording and possibly citing it (one of the most common practices in news)?

>>cma+811
How about it? Do you not think it incurs a lot of negative effects?

>>ethanb+rl1
What's the alternative, each news event is first to publish exclusivity regardless of quality? No synthesizing multiple stories into a linked narrative?