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1. Chicag+m9[view] [source] 2023-07-05 17:40:08
>>tim_sw+(OP)
From a layman's perspective when it comes to cutting edge AI, I can't help but be a bit turned off by some of the copy. It seems it goes out of its way to use purposefully exhuberant language as a way to make the risks seem even more significant, just so as an offshoot it implies that the technology being worked on is so advanced. I'm trying to understand why it rubs me particularly the wrong way here, when, frankly, it is just about the norm anywhere else? (see tesla with FSD, etc.)
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2. omeze+2f[view] [source] 2023-07-05 17:57:58
>>Chicag+m9
yes I also have that impression. If you consider the concrete objectives, this is a good announcement:

- they want to make benchmarking easier by using AI systems

- they want to automate red-teaming and safety-checking ("problematic behavior" i.e. cursing at customers)

- they want to automate the understanding of model outputs ("interpretability")

Notice how absolutely none of these things require "superintelligence" to exist to be useful? They're all just bog standard Good Things that you'd want for any class of automated system, i.e. a great customer service bot.

The superintelligence meme is tiring but we're getting cool things out of it I guess...

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3. gooseu+2t[view] [source] 2023-07-05 18:46:18
>>omeze+2f
We'll get these cool things either way, no need to bundle them with the supernatural mumbo-jumbo, imo.

My take is that every advancement in these highly complex and expensive fields is dependent on our ability to maintain global social, political, and economic stability.

This insistence on the importance of Super-Intelligence and AGI as the path to Paradise or Hell is one of the many brain-worms going around that have this "Revelation" structure that makes pragmatic discussions very difficult, and in turn actually makes it harder to maintain social, political, and economic stability.

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4. Dennis+bC[view] [source] 2023-07-05 19:23:43
>>gooseu+2t
There's nothing "supernatural" about thinking that an AGI could be smarter than humans, and therefore behave in ways that we dumb humans can't predict.

There's more mumbo-jumbo in thinking human intelligence has some secret sauce that can't be replicated by a computer.

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5. gooseu+ZK[view] [source] 2023-07-05 20:05:38
>>Dennis+bC
Not if the "secret sauce" is actually a natural limit to what levels of intelligence can be reached with the current architectures we're exploring.

It could be theoretically possible to build an AGI smarter than a human, but is it really plausible if it turns out to need a data center the size of the Hadron Collider and the energy of a small country to maintain itself?

It could be that it turns out the only architecture we can find that is equal to the task (and feasibly produced) is the human brain, and instead the hard part of making super-intelligence is bootstrapping that human brain and training it to be more intel?

Maybe the best way to solve the "alignment problem", and other issues of creating super-intelligence, is to solve the problem of how best to raise and educate intelligent and well-adjusted humans?

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6. ben_w+hG2[view] [source] 2023-07-06 10:10:37
>>gooseu+ZK
> Not if the "secret sauce" is actually a natural limit to what levels of intelligence can be reached with the current architectures we're exploring.

If we were limited to only explore what we're currently exploring, we'd never have made Transformer models.

> It could be theoretically possible to build an AGI smarter than a human, but is it really plausible if it turns out to need a data center the size of the Hadron Collider and the energy of a small country to maintain itself?

That would be an example of "some kind of magic special sauce", given human brains fit on the inside if a skull and use 20 watts regardless of if they are Einstein or a village idiot, and we can make humans more capable by giving them normal computer with normal software like a calculator and a spreadsheet.

A human with a Pi Zero implant they can access by thought, which is basically the direction Neuralink is going but should be much easier in an AI that's simulating a brain scan, is vastly more capable than an un-augmented human.

Oh, and transistors operate faster than synapses by about the same ratio that wolves outpace continental drift; the limiting factor being that synapses use less energy right now — it's known to be possible to use less energy than synapses do, just expensive to build.

> Maybe the best way to solve the "alignment problem", and other issues of creating super-intelligence, is to solve the problem of how best to raise and educate intelligent and well-adjusted humans?

Perhaps, but we're not exactly good at that.

Should still look onto it anyway, it's useful regardless, but just don't rely on that being the be-all and end-all of alignment.

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