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[return to "$900k Median Package for Engineers at OpenAI"]
1. jedber+l7[view] [source] 2023-06-24 17:05:59
>>zuhaye+(OP)
Based on what I've seen/heard, they seem to follow a similar comp philosophy to Netflix -- pay top of market to get the best people.

But it's also important to note that only $300K of that is in cash. The other $600K is in profit participation, which could take years (maybe even a decade!) to be realized. It could also be worth $6M a year when it's realized.

But ultimately it's an investment of your time. Or to think of it another way, you're getting paid $900K a year but you're also investing $600K a year in OpenAI, which may end up being an amazing return or nothing at all, just like any startup investment.

Although with Sam at the helm, my guess is it will probably be worth more than $600K a year.

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2. jocaal+uc[view] [source] 2023-06-24 17:40:53
>>jedber+l7
Honestly, if you take 300k home, the risk isn't that high. But the reward is insane.
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3. QIYGT+Wg[view] [source] 2023-06-24 18:09:31
>>jocaal+uc
That person could probably be making 500k+ at a FANG with less variance in the stock component.
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4. morale+Nu[view] [source] 2023-06-24 19:37:25
>>QIYGT+Wg
I read this here and there and don't doubt it, but then again I've never seen/met anyone IRL (outside of C-level) making this much money as an employee.

Are they just extremely rare cases or am I just not aware of the valley and their customs?

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5. deanmo+Yw[view] [source] 2023-06-24 19:52:03
>>morale+Nu
I believe you are just not aware.

C-Level folks make many millions a year, either liquid or paper.

I am at FAANG and virtually everyone at L6 (staff Eng level, many thousands of people) is paid at least $500k, with monthly liquidity (no cliff).

With a bit of luck stock wise, it’s also not uncommon at all to get to $500k+ at L5 (senior eng level, many dozens of thousands of people).

Everyone in my SF network (hundreds of people) virtually make above $500k.

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6. tayo42+aB[view] [source] 2023-06-24 20:26:49
>>deanmo+Yw
Recently? That's wild. Work 4 or 5 years and retire lol
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7. gotara+JR[view] [source] 2023-06-24 22:57:08
>>tayo42+aB
I made that much for 4 years and have a total of 10 years work experience. I’m nowhere near retired. And I’ve been single the entire time.

$500k is more like $275k after taxes. Assuming $60k/yr in living expenses, which is pretty frugal in the Bay Area, that’s barely over $1M in savings in 5 years. Let’s say $1.3M after return on investments over 5 years.

Nowhere close to retirement money anywhere in the US.

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8. swores+zU1[view] [source] 2023-06-25 12:20:11
>>gotara+JR
3% is a pretty reasonable amount to take each year out of a lump sum you're trying to use to live the rest of your life off, which for $1.3M would be $39k/yr.

$39k/yr may not give you a life of luxury anywhere in the US, but there's certainly people surviving on less - and surely if you were OK on $60k/yr cost of living in the Bay Area it wouldn't be hard to find parts of the US where $39k/yr stretches further than $60k does there?

Of course there's many people who wouldn't want to move to a cheaper area, and especially anyone who is able to earn $500k/yr is likely to choose to work longer before retiring to not have to be as frugal - but "nowhere close to retirement money anywhere in the US" seems way off. I'd even be surprised if $1.3M wasn't significantly greater than the median amount of pension + savings owned by Americans at the point of their retiring.

edit: Actual numbers back up my assumptions above, for example "According to the Fed data, the median net worth for Americans in their late 60s and early 70s is $266,400. The average (or mean) net worth for this age bracket is $1,217,700, but since averages tend to skew higher due to high net-worth households, the median is a much more representational amount." from https://www.cnbc.com/select/average-net-worth-of-americans-a... or similar at https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewrosen/2022/06/16/are-you-... etc.

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