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1. jedber+l7[view] [source] 2023-06-24 17:05:59
>>zuhaye+(OP)
Based on what I've seen/heard, they seem to follow a similar comp philosophy to Netflix -- pay top of market to get the best people.

But it's also important to note that only $300K of that is in cash. The other $600K is in profit participation, which could take years (maybe even a decade!) to be realized. It could also be worth $6M a year when it's realized.

But ultimately it's an investment of your time. Or to think of it another way, you're getting paid $900K a year but you're also investing $600K a year in OpenAI, which may end up being an amazing return or nothing at all, just like any startup investment.

Although with Sam at the helm, my guess is it will probably be worth more than $600K a year.

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2. jocaal+uc[view] [source] 2023-06-24 17:40:53
>>jedber+l7
Honestly, if you take 300k home, the risk isn't that high. But the reward is insane.
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3. dheera+cf[view] [source] 2023-06-24 17:58:55
>>jocaal+uc
To be realistic ... 300K in the bay is barely livable if you're targeting a middle class life with kids and targeting retiring at 65.

First, ~46% of it is gone in taxes including federal tax (~25%), state tax (~8%), FICA (~4%), and sales tax on everything you eventually use the money for (~9%).

So that's 162K left. Not a lot to pay sky-high rents, car payments, insane medical bills despite insurance, lawyers to fight said bills, save up money for parental elderly care, save up money for yourself for retirement, etc.

And yeah, having kids on that money? Very difficult.

If you're not in the bay area, different story, it's a very nice income. But they probably won't give you that package if you're remote.

And if you're in the bay and not planning on having kids, it's an okay salary.

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4. gamblo+Yn[view] [source] 2023-06-24 18:49:48
>>dheera+cf
To be realistic, even in the Bay, 300k is more than livable if you're targeting a middle class lifestyle with kids and retiring at 65.

If you can't retire at 65 on 300k a year, you're not living a middle class lifestyle. Not even close.

Rent: 4k/month = 48k. Car payments 750/month = $9k. Using your post-tax numbers (which are wrong) that leaves over $100k per year for all the other random stuff you've listed, which is more than most people in the Bay Area make in a year.

(Also, you're math is wrong on the taxes; the rates you use are the statutory progressive rates, not the effective rates (so, for example, the effective rate on $300k would be approx 22% at the federal level assuming standard deduction but no retirement contributions or child credits). FICA is capped at the first $160k of income (meaning you don't pay more if you make more).)

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5. Solven+hx[view] [source] 2023-06-24 19:54:06
>>gamblo+Yn
What SF family with children are paying 4K a month on "rent" and what exactly do you envision this rented abode to be that is even remotely liveable with children? Are you living in anything close to reality?
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6. deanmo+mz[view] [source] 2023-06-24 20:11:27
>>Solven+hx
I'm really not understanding this comment.

Go on Zillow and find all the 3-bedroom rentals available under $4k/mo in the Bay Area that are within 45-min commute distance from downtown SF via Bart/Caltrain/Muni. I count at least 1,000.

I live in a modern 1-bedroom apartment within biking distance to work (major FAANG campus) and pay $2,500/mo. My apartment complex offers 3-bedroom units, with private patios, for $3,500/mo. This is a nice community, professionally managed, with pool, gym, BBQ areas and park for kids to roam around.

Isn't that enough to raise children? Most people in major European cities raise perfectly functional and happy families on much less sqft and amenities.

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7. dheera+pJ[view] [source] 2023-06-24 21:41:19
>>deanmo+mz
> I live in a modern 1-bedroom apartment within biking distance to work (major FAANG campus) and pay $2,500/mo. My apartment complex offers 3-bedroom units, with private patios, for $3,500/mo.

What complex do you live in?

I'm actually looking to move apartments, want something a bit more modern, and I'm seeing mostly 1-bedrooms for $3500 and 2-bedrooms for $4500 in south bay for anything modern (e.g. anything from Prometheus) and located in a safe area (e.g. not East Palo Alto).

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